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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A limited government is the most moral "regime". Democracy does not automatically imply limited government.

    A democracy with unlimited governmental power is perfectly capable of being as immoral, oppressive and murderous as any autocracy.

    Limited government is the key to moral government. Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely. This applies to democracies as much as to autocracies.
    And yet a government has to be democratic before it can even be considered as the most moral regime.

    When I'm saying that democracy is the most moral of the available regimes, I mean that a democratic-based state would be the most moral one.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Maybe the very core tenets, it's kind of one of those "almost but not exactly" situations.
    The US is a democracy, that's not even a question.

    What you guys argue about is what form of democracy is the most moral of them all, while I'm simply stating that democracy itself is the most moral form of regime.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The US is a democracy, that's not even a question.

    What you guys argue about is what form of democracy is the most moral of them all, while I'm simply stating that democracy itself is the most moral form of regime.
    I'm not of the moralistic arguments TBH, I'm arguing that democracy and democratic republic aren't compatible terms. There are some core similarities, but glaring differences.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm not of the moralistic arguments TBH, I'm arguing that democracy and democratic republic aren't compatible terms. There are some core similarities, but glaring differences.
    Well, you do agree that the US is what is described by political terms as "a full democracy", right?
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Well, you do agree that the US is what is described by political terms as "a full democracy", right?
    No, moderate usage of democratic elements but not a full democracy.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Well, you do agree that the US is what is described by political terms as "a full democracy", right?
    Not exactly. I'd think a "full democracy" would refer to direct democracy, where citizens vote on every single issue; or possibly a representative democracy where a simple majority sufficies for any issue, such as whether to allow ginger-people to be legally raped, to illustrate with absurdity.

    A limited government, such as the US Republic, puts deliberate limits on democracy: ie the Constitution, the BoR, the Electoral College, and previously the State appointement of Senators.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No, moderate usage of democratic elements but not a full democracy.
    Well:
    #18 United States 8.22 Full democracy
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index]Democracy Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not exactly. I'd think a "full democracy" would refer to direct democracy
    Then I'm afraid you're wrong Goshin.
    A direct democracy does not imply a stronger democracy.
    The only form of direct democracy that exists in our present world is in the referendums most common in Switzerland.
    All democratic regimes on planet earth are pretty much types of representative democracies, e.g. the US.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The methodologies seem to point to the condition overall of the democracy and not the practical policies. In effect, the truest forms of a democracy are limited here, much of our political system can be traced all the way back to Greece and the works found in Plato's "Republic".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Then I'm afraid you're wrong Goshin.
    A direct democracy does not imply a stronger democracy.
    The only form of direct democracy that exists in our present world is in the referendums most common in Switzerland.
    All democratic regimes on planet earth are pretty much types of representative democracies, e.g. the US.

    Semantics.

    The fact remains that a distressingly large number of people ignorantly think that anything "democratic" is automatically moral, and that "democratic" always means "majority rules".

    This misuse and misunderstanding of the term is why I have issues with the way "Democracy" is freely slung about with wild abandon but little comprehension.

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