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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    A constitutional republic is a specific form of democracy
    Finally you agree.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Finally you agree.
    I've always known that. My quarrel with you is your lack of specificity. A democracy is not necessarily a constitutional republic.

    A constitutional republic > a democracy.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 04-10-10 at 02:37 PM.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What some people use is left to some people to worry about.
    Right, the intent of the thread. However, the two terms are not interchangeable. For instance, appeal to democracy in the form of direct democracy is an appeal to majority, which is fine in a direct democracy. However, we are a representative republic based on a democratic election process, so appeal to majority is irrelevant in that we elect representatives who, in theory should be listening to the will of the people, but since appeal to majority is a potential loophole, we wrote a constitution specifically limiting what the majority could have or impose.

    In the case of our particular "democracy" the rule of law and the checks and balances are there to insure that the democratic process is upheld, even though the particular democratic elements are a bit watered down.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    In the case of our particular "democracy" the rule of law and the checks and balances are there to insure that the democratic process is upheld, even though the particular democratic elements are a bit watered down.
    Our form of democracy prevents the tyranny of the majority, which democracies without such protections can be prone to.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Our form of democracy prevents the tyranny of the majority, which democracies without such protections can be prone to.
    Yep, that's why the process was made in a circular and convoluted fashion.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 04-10-10 at 02:51 PM.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Right, the intent of the thread. However, the two terms are not interchangeable. For instance, appeal to democracy in the form of direct democracy is an appeal to majority, which is fine in a direct democracy. However, we are a representative republic based on a democratic election process, so appeal to majority is irrelevant in that we elect representatives who, in theory should be listening to the will of the people, but since appeal to majority is a potential loophole, we wrote a constitution specifically limiting what the majority could have or impose.

    In the case of our particular "democracy" the rule of law and the checks and balances are there to insure that the democratic process is upheld, even though the particular democratic elements are a bit watered down.
    Absolutely correct.

    But when all comes down to the bone, the form of regime you are managing is a democratic one.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Our form of democracy prevents the tyranny of the majority, which democracies without such protections can be prone to.
    Nearly all democracies have rules that prevent the tyranny of majority.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've always known that. My quarrel with you is your lack of specificity. A democracy is not necessarily a constitutional republic.

    A constitutional republic > a democracy.
    However, America as a constitutional republic -> a Democracy.

    Your initial disagreement with me was with the statement that Democracy is the most moral regime there is.
    That statement still holds truth.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Absolutely correct.

    But when all comes down to the bone, the form of regime you are managing is a democratic one.
    Maybe the very core tenets, it's kind of one of those "almost but not exactly" situations.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    However, America as a constitutional republic -> a Democracy.

    Your initial disagreement with me was with the statement that Democracy is the most moral regime there is.
    That statement still holds truth.
    A limited government is the most moral "regime". Democracy does not automatically imply limited government.

    A democracy with unlimited governmental power is perfectly capable of being as immoral, oppressive and murderous as any autocracy.

    Limited government is the key to moral government. Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely. This applies to democracies as much as to autocracies.

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