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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The electoral college is a way of mitigating some of the potentially negative effects of direct democracy. It was designed to give less populated areas as much of a voice in the campaign and election process as heavily populated urban areas. And, it may be one of the biggest flaws in this government, IN YOUR OPINION, but in my opinion, it's worked well for us for almost 300 years.

    I understand what it is for, the problem does not arise in why it was set up, but in how it was set up.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I disagree, while the popular vote seems to make sense, when you look at population densities and political leans it is not that simple, without the EC L.A., NYC, and a few other major cities would basically determine the direction of the federal, the electoral college to a degree prevents this IMO.
    It also forces candidates to give face time to places like Vermont and Iowa.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It also forces candidates to give face time to places like Vermont and Iowa.
    Absolutely.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    I understand what it is for, the problem does not arise in why it was set up, but in how it was set up.
    You say there's a problem, but in my opinion, it works just fine.

    The problem I see is in our primary schedules, which give undue weight to selected states that may or may not be representative of the whole.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    I get upset when someone uses "democracy" as an excuse for oppressing me and infringing on my rights, as if the fact that 51% of people thought raping red-headed people with pale skin and freckles was okay, would make it okay.

    The ignorance that many people seem to have about what democracy really means, and how the fundamental principle of the US is not "democracy" itself but limited government, is what makes me cringe when people throw the word around as if it were an inherent justification for anything.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You say there's a problem, but in my opinion, it works just fine.

    The problem I see is in our primary schedules, which give undue weight to selected states that may or may not be representative of the whole.
    I was thinking that myself. I see how it works for congressional elections, but when L.A is deciding electors for SanD, Oakland, and Joshua tree, or NYC for Albany, Buffalo, and the rest of New York we have a system in need of some minor tweaking.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    democracy makes baby osama cry
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Democracy is the most moral form of regime, in my opinion, but obviously not the most efficient by terms of states' advancement.

    I see, however, absolutely no reason to get upset at it.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Democracy is the most moral form of regime, in my opinion, but obviously not the most efficient by terms of states' advancement.
    Actually, straight democracy can be highly immoral and result in the trampling of the rights of the minority. Just because the majority wants something at a particular point in time does not mean that what they want will subscribe to liberty and the protection of human rights.

    Remember, the majority of Germany supported the National Socialists.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You say there's a problem, but in my opinion, it works just fine.

    The problem I see is in our primary schedules, which give undue weight to selected states that may or may not be representative of the whole.
    The problem is in that the elector does not even need to cast their vote as their constituency wants, as happened in the 2000 election. They are known as "Faithless Electors"

    2000 - Barbara Lett-Simmons (Democrat, District of Columbia)
    In the most recent act of Elector abstention, Barbara Lett-Simmons, a Democratic Elector from the District of Columbia, did not cast her vote for Al Gore as expected. Her abstention was meant to protest the lack of Congressional representation for Washington, DC.


    The Electoral College - "Faithless Electors"


    There is a list of the rest, and that is the problem. The people are not truly represented.
    Last edited by Flea; 04-10-10 at 12:59 PM.

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