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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You basically just said the same thing Goobieman said. Then you turn around and say he is wrong????

    I think you either misread his statement or don't realize what you said.
    Clearly. Thanks!

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    When straight Democracy is compared side by side with a constitutional republic system. Constitutional republic pwns democracy.
    There's no such thing as a "straight democracy".

    Just as a presidential representative democracy with a constitution (the US) is a sub form of democracy, so is a parliamentarian representative democracy with or without a constitution.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I think you need to actually read what I said.
    Goobieman, here's your post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman's post
    People will often say 'this is a democracy, and so...'.

    When they do, they generally fail to understand that in our system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail.

    I believe this is generally due to ignorance, which is sometimes willful.
    The US is a democracy.
    I've just stated that.

    Do I, therefore, generally fail to understand that in the American system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail?

    Obviously no, I've actuality proven why it doesn't always prevail, meaning that I don't fail to understand that.

    Hence, your statement that when people refer to the US as democracy they generally don't understand that the system is not fully based on the value of the majority rule was wrong.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There's no such thing as a "straight democracy".

    Just as a presidential representative democracy with a constitution (the US) is a sub form of democracy, so is a parliamentarian representative democracy with or without a constitution.
    ISSUES PENDING IN ALABAMA; STRAIGHT DEMOCRACY PITTED AGAINST THE FIELD... - Article Preview - The New York Times



    It might also be called "direct democracy" or "pure democracy." [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy[/ame]
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 04-14-10 at 12:23 PM.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Actually yes, it is a statements changer I'm afraid my dear mind reading friend.
    I am not reading any minds. I have been all over the country and around the world a few times. I have talked to literally thousands of people and I can honestly say my statement is fact.

    Only a fool would deny the truth of my statement.

    So no, it changes nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's a whole different argument you're initiating here.

    I'm not speaking about the morality of an individual, but about the human society's moral codes.
    "Values of humanity" if you want it to sound kitschy.
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    "The Government" is a collective noun that refers to all the ministers of the Crown[1], who are all members of one or other of the houses of Parliament. Members of the Government are, both individually and collectively, politically accountable to Parliament and the people for advice to Her Majesty and all actions carried out in her name by ministers and their Departments of State.
    " - [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_United_Kingdom]Government of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    Hmmm does not look like a Constitutional Republic to me.

    Germany is a representative republic. Does this make it the most moral? No. It is again subjective be it individual or not.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The US is a democracy.
    No, it's a constitutional republic. Our constitutional principles trump the will of the majority.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    You were stating that there was such a form of regime as a "Straight democracy".

    I want you to prove it.

    Simply searching google and finding the two words used together in what could be mistaken as an article is not enough.

    If it is a sub-form of democracy, or any kind of a form of regime, there would be something about it in Wikipedia, or any dictionary really.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If it is a sub-form of democracy, or any kind of a form of regime, there would be something about it in Wikipedia, or any dictionary really.
    It might also be called "direct democracy" or "pure democracy."

    There are several varieties of democracy, some of which provide better representation and more freedoms for their citizens than others.[8][9] However, if any democracy is not carefully legislated – through the use of balances – to avoid an uneven distribution of political power, such as the separation of powers, then a branch of the system of rule could accumulate power and become harmful to the democracy itself.[10][11][12]

    The "majority rule" is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government or constitutional protections of individual liberties from democratic power, it is possible for dissenting individuals to be oppressed by the "tyranny of the majority". An essential process in representative democracies is competitive elections, that are fair both substantively[13] and procedurally.[14] Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests.[15][16]
    The above is why a constitutional republic is better than a democracy. /thread
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am not reading any minds. I have been all over the country and around the world a few times. I have talked to literally thousands of people and I can honestly say my statement is fact.
    So you claim that you know the thoughts of the majority of the people when they hear the word democracy.
    Uh-huh.
    Only a fool would deny the truth of my statement.
    Now you're really making a strong argument there.
    "Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom (often abbreviated to HMG) is the central government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Under the unwritten British constitution, executive authority notionally lies with the monarch but is exercised only by and on the advice of the Cabinet, a collective body of the most senior ministers of the Crown, who are appointed Privy Councillors.

    "The Government" is a collective noun that refers to all the ministers of the Crown[1], who are all members of one or other of the houses of Parliament. Members of the Government are, both individually and collectively, politically accountable to Parliament and the people for advice to Her Majesty and all actions carried out in her name by ministers and their Departments of State.
    " - Government of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Hmmm does not look like a Constitutional Republic to me.

    Germany is a representative republic. Does this make it the most moral? No. It is again subjective be it individual or not.
    It is subjective by individual's eyes, not by society's eyes.
    One may find a form of regime that he is aligned with its morality as the most moral of regimes.
    I'm however referring to the morality code followed by the society.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Goobieman, here's your post:
    The US is a democracy.
    I've just stated that.

    Do I, therefore, generally fail to understand that in the American system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail?

    Obviously no, I've actuality proven why it doesn't always prevail, meaning that I don't fail to understand that.

    Hence, your statement that when people refer to the US as democracy they generally don't understand that the system is not fully based on the value of the majority rule was wrong.


    OK, dude.


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