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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Give a name of a democracy where the will of people always prevails.

    You're speaking about direct democracy.
    In representative democracy, which is pretty much the only form of democracy that is being used on planet Earth, the will of the people doesn't mean much when we're not on the elections periods.

    One of the main reasons why we favor representative democracy is because we understand that the majority of the people cannot be entrusted with making the right decisions, hence we choose a politician that we believe represents our opinions and pray that he wouldn't turn asshole on us.

    Indeed, the democratic value of "the majority rules" in modern democracies is represented mainly by the elections themselves.
    This proves my point - in a couple of different ways.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's part of the system. The founders weren't comfortable with direct democracy and too much reliance on popular opinion can have devastating effects on a government; so they moved to isolate somewhat the government from the whims of populism. And they were correct.
    For the most part.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This proves my point - in a couple of different ways.
    Saying so doesn't change a thing.
    Your point has been debunked and shown as a false statement.

    That you have decided not to create a rebuttal implies that you were unable to do so.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Indeed, the democratic value of "the majority rules" in modern democracies is represented mainly by the elections themselves.
    True. But in a constitutional republic, the will of the majority can be overturned by the will of a few, namely, the presidential veto and/or a supreme court decision by 9 judges.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Saying so doesn't change a thing.
    Your point has been debunked and shown as a false statement.

    That you have decided not to create a rebuttal implies that you were unable to do so.
    Not really, no. You don't understand our system of government as well as you believe you do.

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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Not really, no. You don't understand our system of government as well as you believe you do.
    That's the easy thing to say.
    However that's not the case here.
    It's more around the average American not understanding the forms of regime that exist beyond his country's borders.

    If you wish to show me that I'm wrong, as you obviously think so, then by all means respond to post #100 in this thread.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Give a name of a democracy where the will of people always prevails.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    People will often say 'this is a democracy, and so...'.

    When they do, they generally fail to understand that in our system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're speaking about direct democracy.
    In representative democracy, which is pretty much the only form of democracy that is being used on planet Earth, the will of the people doesn't mean much when we're not on the elections periods.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    When they do, they generally fail to understand that in our system of government, the will of the people does not always prevail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    One of the main reasons why we favor representative democracy is because we understand that the majority of the people cannot be entrusted with making the right decisions, hence we choose a politician that we believe represents our opinions and pray that he wouldn't turn asshole on us.

    Indeed, the democratic value of "the majority rules" in modern democracies is represented mainly by the elections themselves.
    You basically just said the same thing Goobieman said. Then you turn around and say he is wrong????

    I think you either misread his statement or don't realize what you said.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    True. But in a constitutional republic, the will of the majority can be overturned by the will of a few, namely, the presidential veto and/or a supreme court decision by 9 judges.
    That is true for many forms of regime, Constitutional republic being only one of them.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That is true for many forms of regime, Constitutional republic being only one of them.
    So what? This has nothing to do with her point.
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    Re: Do you get upset at the word democracy?

    Blackdog,

    What I disagree with Goobieman about is that he was referring to the US alone ("our form of regime"), while his statement is true for craploads of other nations.
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