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Is Oral Sex 'Sex'?

Is Oral Sex 'Sex'?

  • Of course it is

    Votes: 42 64.6%

  • Only if it culminates in orgasm

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • It is not sex

    Votes: 12 18.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 6.2%

  • other

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Total voters
    65
Dav said:
I think a lot of young people just don't want to think of themselves as not being virgins anymore when all they've had is oral.
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I don't think of them as "not being virgins anymore", if all they've had is oral.
But that's just my opinion.
 
Flea said:
The end result. Pregnancy.

One denotes the possiblity or communication that the female has a chance of pregnancy and the other denotes pleasuring the other partner with no chance of pregnancy.
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The act and the outcome are the same whatever you call it. If you want to define 'sex' as only that activity that can lead to conception then why, in the years prior to decriminalisation, was 'sex' between people of the same gender prosecuted?

Honestly, I think you are indulging in semantics. The naming of a sexual behaviour as 'sex' or 'sex act' means nothing whatsoever in practical, moral or philosophical terms, it's just linguistic masturbation. That's neither 'sex' nor a 'sex act', BTW.
 
Virginity tends to be a specific cultural reference to loss of the hymen in girls, and vaginal penetration by males.

It's actually kind of mythological since many athletic girls lose their hymens long before they are vaginally penetrated by a man.
 
Andalublue said:
The act and the outcome are the same whatever you call it. If you want to define 'sex' as only that activity that can lead to conception then why, in the years prior to decriminalisation, was 'sex' between people of the same gender prosecuted?

Honestly, I think you are indulging in semantics. The naming of a sexual behaviour as 'sex' or 'sex act' means nothing whatsoever in practical, moral or philosophical terms, it's just linguistic masturbation. That's neither 'sex' nor a 'sex act', BTW.
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I don't consider same sex "sex" as sex. It is same sex "sexual acts". Some others might see it differently and that is fine.
 
Since the mind is the most important sexual organ, sex is whatever you think it is
 
CriticalThought said:
Woop! I'm a virgin again!
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Hey if you can buy indulgences from the Catholic Church to erase sins you ought to be able to purchase virginity restoration pills as well
 
TurtleDude said:
Hey if you can buy indulgences from the Catholic Church to erase sins you ought to be able to purchase virginity restoration pills as well
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I could think of a few Christian folk who would be popping them like they were Viagra.
 
CriticalThought said:
I could think of a few Christian folk who would be popping them like they were Viagra.
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some would throw a ton of them in a bathtube and soak for days
 
CriticalThought said:
Hey it works for me. I'll most likely die as a virgin. :mrgreen:
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I don't see any of this as good or bad. Being a virgin or not is no any big deal at all. I am nitpicking because that is the nature of this debate, so hopefully that's how I come across. :2razz:
 
Flea said:
I might be funny, but at the same time logical. You contradicted yourself and at the same time devalued my input. Seems like senility might be catching up with you, old timer.
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Flea said:
I live in Newport Beach in Orange County, CA. Is that east of you? Do you live in Japan?

Mountain biking here is great. Hiking and rock climbing too. :2razz:
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I'm thinking you are wound a wee bit too tight for our conversation here. Besides seeming combative, you are also missing my points. I asked you to "engage your sense of humor". In other words, you are NOT funny. And we are both "devaluing" eachother's input, so get over it.

As for mt biking, I was influenced by your experience with a "toothless Billy-bob" on a dirt road. That gave me the impression you lived out in the eastern southern regions somewhere. I've not run into shotgun-toten, toothless hicks out here in beautiful cultured southern California. But then I do most of my riding in the Chino Hills state park.

No wonder you're so on edge. That there feller may have scarred you for life!:shock:

;):mrgreen:
 
Telecaster said:
I'm thinking you are wound a wee bit too tight for our conversation here. Besides seeming combative, you are also missing my points. I asked you to "engage your sense of humor". In other words, you are NOT funny. And we are both "devaluing" eachother's input, so get over it.

As for mt biking, I was influenced by your experience with a "toothless Billy-bob" on a dirt road. That gave me the impression you lived out in the eastern southern regions somewhere. I've not run into shotgun-toten, toothless hicks out here in beautiful cultured southern California. But then I do most of my riding in the Chino Hills state park.

No wonder you're so on edge. That there feller may have scarred you for life!:shock:

;):mrgreen:
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Aww... now your just funnin' with me. Not funny!? Sarcasm and subtlety are not everybodies cup of tea. Not sure I have ever been described of as "on edge", might be a first.

Was not mountain biking when I met the hick, that was in Michigan. Mountain biking in Chino, Whiting, Big Bear and the like are tons of fun.

Now, regarding the conversation, you did contradict yourself. This fact seems to have gotten lost in your narrow minded, all consuming, hate filled vendetta against me! j/k :2razz:
 
1069 said:
I actually had a monstrous cold sore outbreak right before my wedding party; I posted a picture of it here, in the Tavern, at the time. :lol:
I totally didn't want to go, but I didn't have a choice. My dad threw me a huge party, invited 200 people.
I was like, can I just wear a paper bag over my head? :doh
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When I was much younger I used to get outbreaks much more often. I found that whenever I went for any picture ever a cold sore picture would appear. All of my school pictures from 2nd-5th grade picture me with a cold sore.

Do you get outbreaks often? You said you've been studying the virus or something?

I have, over the years, attributed outbreaks to very many things - water (biggest one), extensive exposure to sunlight, stress, certain interactions my lips have which cause any amount of uncomfortably.
 
Sanitas said:
When I was much younger I used to get outbreaks much more often. I found that whenever I went for any picture ever a cold sore picture would appear. All of my school pictures from 2nd-5th grade picture me with a cold sore.

Do you get outbreaks often? You said you've been studying the virus or something?

I have, over the years, attributed outbreaks to very many things - water (biggest one), extensive exposure to sunlight, stress, certain interactions my lips have which cause any amount of uncomfortably.
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Yeah, when I was younger, they were more frequent; during my teens, maybe once or twice a year. I think hormones trigger outbreaks, and I was pregnant for a large part of my teens.
I got some prescription medicine for it: Zovirax ointment.
I'm not sure if it actually worked, or if it just provided psychological comfort. :lol:
During my entire 20s, I only had one outbreak.
And during my 30s, only one so far.
I haven't been able to figure out what triggered these two latest ones, but I did get some OTC medicine for them: Abreva.
I figure if it's only going to happen once every ten years, I can deal with that. At most, that might mean three or four more outbreaks during my lifetime; I'm not expecting to live to be 80.
 
CriticalThought said:
Silly heathens. It's simple teleology. You cannot make a baby by putting the penis or vagina to the mouth. The mouth is not a reproductive organ, therefore it is a sin against nature to use it as such. Any deviation from the grand design is not normal and is thus abhorrent and sinful.

You can't spell immoral without oral. :mrgreen:
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This is a bit over the top. Do you have a biblical cite for this one or are you just that uptight?
 
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Silly heathens. It's simple teleology. You cannot make a baby by putting the penis or vagina to the mouth. The mouth is not a reproductive organ, therefore it is a sin against nature to use it as such. Any deviation from the grand design is not normal and is thus abhorrent and sinful.
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I love religious types. No facts. No evidence. They understand such things as the "Grand Design" that the rest of us don't because they read a book and believe it above all else. They have this amazing insight and in their arrogance, they mock those that don't agree. Amazing. Love it. :lol:
 
1069 said:
Yeah, when I was younger, they were more frequent; during my teens, maybe once or twice a year. I think hormones trigger outbreaks, and I was pregnant for a large part of my teens.
I got some prescription medicine for it: Zovirax ointment.
I'm not sure if it actually worked, or if it just provided psychological comfort. :lol:
During my entire 20s, I only had one outbreak.
And during my 30s, only one so far.
I haven't been able to figure out what triggered these two latest ones, but I did get some OTC medicine for them: Abreva.
I figure if it's only going to happen once every ten years, I can deal with that. At most, that might mean three or four more outbreaks during my lifetime; I'm not expecting to live to be 80.
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When I was younger I would get them at least once every month. Now I get them around 2-3 times yearly.

For me, Zovirax doesn't seem to work. I used the cream but now I take a pill form. Abreva work really well though, compared to Zovirax.
 
Sanitas said:
When I was younger I would get them at least once every month. Now I get them around 2-3 times yearly.
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Good God, man.
That is frequent.
I might've gotten three in one year on my worst year.
But mine were really, seriously bad; they could be an inch in diameter, with a dozen separate blisters. They were beginning to scar my face up; I've got a small pockmark-looking area on the left corner of my mouth, which is where I always got them. Never had one anywhere else.

For me, Zovirax doesn't seem to work. I used the cream but now I take a pill form. Abreva work really well though, compared to Zovirax.
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Yeah, I don't recall Zovirax working all that well. It did give me some peace of mind, though, which might've reduced my stress and that in turn might've reduced the number of outbreaks I was having.
Abreva seems to work well. When I had this latest outbreak a couple of years ago, I used it, and it stopped the cold sore from spreading too terribly much. I'm not sure if it healed up any faster, but it did stop it from getting so big.

I'm not sure how old you are, but eventually, it's very likely you'll have long periods of dormancy between outbreaks.
I don't think it's common for people to go through life having the frequency of outbreaks you're experiencing.
Maybe you should try some vitamin supplements, if you don't already take them. A strong immune system will help ward off outbreaks for longer periods of time.
 
Flea said:
Aww... now your just funnin' with me. Not funny!? Sarcasm and subtlety are not everybodies cup of tea. Not sure I have ever been described of as "on edge", might be a first.

Was not mountain biking when I met the hick, that was in Michigan. Mountain biking in Chino, Whiting, Big Bear and the like are tons of fun.

Now, regarding the conversation, you did contradict yourself. This fact seems to have gotten lost in your narrow minded, all consuming, hate filled vendetta against me! j/k :2razz:
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"...hate filled vendetta". :thinking ...rrriiiiight. I think we'll just end the conversation now.:roll:
 
1069 said:
I'm not sure how old you are, but eventually, it's very likely you'll have long periods of dormancy between outbreaks.
I don't think it's common for people to go through life having the frequency of outbreaks you're experiencing.
Maybe you should try some vitamin supplements, if you don't already take them. A strong immune system will help ward off outbreaks for longer periods of time.
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I'm seventeen, and I've already noticed a big reduction in the amount of outbreaks.Believe it or not, I have a very formidable immune system.

Is it normal to go into a rage of anger and depression during the first day or two? I'm a very levelheaded person, but when I get an outbreak I try to stay home at all costs. For one, I try to avoid spreading it, but usually I have the worst of all days ever. A few months ago, I was confronted by ALL of teachers and my guidance councilor because "I didn't seem myself". Even fellow other students were making comments about my mood (among other things, including I had a bandaid taped to the side of my mouth). I hardly eat when I get an outbreak, too - because I don't want to, and because I hardly even can...

Sorry I have so many questions/comments. It's not like I talk openly about this to many people. Ahh, the glory of the internet!
 
Flea said:
I love religious types. No facts. No evidence. They understand such things as the "Grand Design" that the rest of us don't because they read a book and believe it above all else. They have this amazing insight and in their arrogance, they mock those that don't agree. Amazing. Love it. :lol:
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I noticed your conversation while adding to mine. How conversations can wander....heh.

I'm not sure if you are joking, or not. If you aren't, I totally agree with you. I find it very respectable for a religious type to say something to the degree of "It's all faith". A lot less bull**** in that equation.
 
Sanitas said:
I'm seventeen, and I've already noticed a big reduction in the amount of outbreaks.Believe it or not, I have a very formidable immune system.

Is it normal to go into a rage of anger and depression during the first day or two? I'm a very levelheaded person, but when I get an outbreak I try to stay home at all costs. For one, I try to avoid spreading it, but usually I have the worst of all days ever. A few months ago, I was confronted by ALL of teachers and my guidance councilor because "I didn't seem myself". Even fellow other students were making comments about my mood (among other things, including I had a bandaid taped to the side of my mouth). I hardly eat when I get an outbreak, too - because I don't want to, and because I hardly even can...

Sorry I have so many questions/comments. It's not like I talk openly about this to many people. Ahh, the glory of the internet!
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Guy, I feel your pain. Believe me. :(
It sucks so bad. It's not funny. People don't understand how debilitating it is, and how damaging to one's self-esteem.
I did the same as you when I was younger: hid out in the house when I had outbreaks. I mean, I literally didn't show my face in public for a week, if possible.
Since I've been an adult, I haven't had any choice but to go out in public with a cold sore; I can't miss a week of work. I'd lose my job.
When I was younger I used to have fits of despair and despondency over it. Not so much rage, but I'm female. Girls tend to internalize things more, and get depressed, while guys externalize and get angry.

What I've found helpful is just to face the matter head-on.
When I have to go to work or to a public function with a cold sore, I just tell everybody I talk to, right off the bat, "Hello. How are you doing? Please excuse my cold sore."
I feel better somehow, having acknowledged it (subconsciously, I guess I'm afraid people will think it's something else, something worse. What? I have no idea).

It's amazing, when you address the issue that way, how many people are sympathetic and have their own cold-sore horror stories to tell. :lol:

I really hope you can find some relief from this one way or the other.
Good luck.
 
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