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Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

Would ya?

  • yes

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • no

    Votes: 26 89.7%

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Would you change your stance on abortion if there was a 100% safe, 100% effective, quickly reversible, widely available, and inexpensive form of birth control that is not abstinence?

I am following the birth control debates today and this question popped in my mind.
 
I mean, I don't think many pro-life people would given this scenario. It would most likely affect pro-choice people. And still probably not that much.
 
I agree with Ikari, but yes I would.
 
not sure where this birth control debate is but oh well

I've been thinking that it's interesting how, before abortion was illegal, and there was no form of birth control, but now abortion is legal and there's all kinds of birth control hmmm.

shouldn't it be the other way around? but we're more advanced now so eh

meaning, abortion illegal, many forms of birth control, or abortion legal and no form of birth control
 
I would change from pro-choice to pro-life. Still not sure if I'm completely pro-choice, to be honest.
 
The fact that some people lump abortion and birth control in the same category makes me sick.

Well, if they believe life begins at conception, this ideology is at least consistent.
Many forms of birth control- including hormonal contraception and IUDs; basically, everything except barrier methods- work in part by preventing ovulation and in part by making the endometrium inhospitable to zygotes.
Sometimes with hormonal contraception, fertilization will occur; when it does, the zygote will fail to implant and will be flushed away with the next menstrual period.

That's why many anti-abortion-rights proponents have found it convenient to adopt the belief that life begins at implantation, rather than at conception; that way they don't have to go on record as opposing contraception, which would completely alienate the mainstream and cause them to sound like even bigger wingnuts than they already do.
They also don't have to go on record as opposing fertility clinics, frozen embryo storage, etc.
In this scenario, zygotes aren't really "pweshuss wittle unborn children" until they've burrowed into somebody's uterine lining, you see.
 
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I don't think I would. I do not think that there is a workable way to force a woman to maintain an unwanted pregnancy.

I think the issue is to give women options so that they don't feel forced into an abortion. But there are still some scenarios in which abortion may be necessary. And, nothing is 100%.

I had my tubes tied years ago after my son was born. I went through a painful surgery to prevent pregnancy and still can't be 100% sure that I won't get pregnant.

That is the practical reality of being a woman.

And no, at 44, with complications after my last child, I would not go through another pregnancy. How dare anyone assume that they are better equipped to choose what is best for me and my children. And by children, I mean the 16 year old and 12 year old that I am still responsible to raise until adulthood.
 
not sure where this birth control debate is but oh well

I've been thinking that it's interesting how, before abortion was illegal, and there was no form of birth control, but now abortion is legal and there's all kinds of birth control hmmm.

shouldn't it be the other way around? but we're more advanced now so eh

meaning, abortion illegal, many forms of birth control, or abortion legal and no form of birth control

Actually, herbalists and midwives have known about naturally occurring abortives since ancient days. They probably used those as a form of birth control since no preventative birth control existed.
 
I just dont think my personnel opinions on the subject trump the individuals.
 
Perhaps the question should be about abortion-on-demand, rather than abortion for reasonable medical reasons (ie a higher-than-normal likelihood of serious complications).
 
Perhaps the question should be about abortion-on-demand, rather than abortion for reasonable medical reasons (ie a higher-than-normal likelihood of serious complications).

Presumably, it already is.
When people discussion "abortion", "on demand" is the unspoken subtext.
If they're talking about "abortion for reasonable medical reasons", they'll typically signify that.

Personally, I would never admit to having "medical reasons" for an abortion, even if such reasons existed.
It makes it seem as if one feels the need of an excuse, and I don't and wouldn't want to give that impression.
Not wanting to continue a pregnancy is, in my opinion, the only valid reason for terminating a pregnancy.
No matter what your medical issues are, if you want to continue the pregnancy, I support your right to do so.
 
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Perhaps the question should be about abortion-on-demand, rather than abortion for reasonable medical reasons (ie a higher-than-normal likelihood of serious complications).

You know, Goshin...I could probably get a doctor to sign off on my physical need for an abortion. But why should I HAVE TO? I'm an adult woman who is raising two children. Am I that incapable of deciding what is the best path for me and my kids?

The arrogance behind the assumption that someone else has the right to make that decision for me makes my blood boil.
 
I dunno...

I don't currently know where I really stand on abortion, but it would probably change.

What does the "100% safe" entail?

I would like it if there were a pregnancy prevention measure that simply paused the natural processes (and I bet some women would like that too) and allowed it to be restarted at any desired later time, with no side effects.

Don't know if that's even possible...

But such would seem to eliminate any issues with unwanted pregnancies - if you can't get pregnant...

Then again, I suppose it wouldn't be 100% available...

Like everything, there would be mistakes..."I forgot to take the shot/pill/whatever this month"

But, in general, it would seem a all-around positive thing...if highly hypothetical at this time.

I suppose the only people who would have issue then would be those who really think a woman’s place is primarily (or even solely) to procreate.

As this would be the ideal solution, it probably won't happen...
 
You know, Goshin...I could probably get a doctor to sign off on my physical need for an abortion. But why should I HAVE TO? I'm an adult woman who is raising two children. Am I that incapable of deciding what is the best path for me and my kids?

The arrogance behind the assumption that someone else has the right to make that decision for me makes my blood boil.

It's not that you aren't competent to choose anything at all, it's that some choices are invalid.
 
It's not that you aren't competent to choose anything at all, it's that some choices are invalid.

So are some fetuses. I decide which.
 
You know, Goshin...I could probably get a doctor to sign off on my physical need for an abortion. But why should I HAVE TO? I'm an adult woman who is raising two children. Am I that incapable of deciding what is the best path for me and my kids?

The arrogance behind the assumption that someone else has the right to make that decision for me makes my blood boil.


I can understand why you would feel that way.

Do you understand that, to me, the difference between aborting an unborn, and deciding to kill one's 2 year old, is more a matter of degree than kind? And that I have a problem with killing children without a very good reason?

Do you understand that the reason I have a problem with legalized anytime-anywhere-any reason abortion is much the same as why I would oppose the legalization of infanticide? It's because I think human life, most especially that most innocent form of human life (babies), should not be taken without an awfully good reason why.
 
Would you change your stance on abortion if there was a 100% safe, 100% effective, quickly reversible, widely available, and inexpensive form of birth control that is not abstinence?

I am following the birth control debates today and this question popped in my mind.

But that doesn't do anything to address the fact that sometimes, going through with a pregnancy will result in the death of the mother and/or the child. In that case, and only those cases, I would continue to support abortion, as I do now.
 
You know, Goshin...I could probably get a doctor to sign off on my physical need for an abortion. But why should I HAVE TO? I'm an adult woman who is raising two children. Am I that incapable of deciding what is the best path for me and my kids?

The arrogance behind the assumption that someone else has the right to make that decision for me makes my blood boil.
Especially your husband.
 
I'm pro-life, so this wouldn't change my stance on abortion.
 
Heck no. I would not change my position at all. Abortion is a horrible choice for birth control. It is kinda disgusting to even consider it birth control if you ask me.
 
But that doesn't do anything to address the fact that sometimes, going through with a pregnancy will result in the death of the mother and/or the child. In that case, and only those cases, I would continue to support abortion, as I do now.

You do realize that very few abortions are actually performed for a legitimate health reason, right?


Look...if I shoot some dude dead, I will have to satisfy a jury (or at least, the solicitor) that I did so because he was a threat to my life.

Maybe holding abortion to the same standard wouldn't be quite so unreasonable, especially since we're talking about a baby here, not an adult criminal.

(general rant follows, fair warning)


I hate to tell some of you, but we're talking about two lives here, and it isn't all about you and what you want or need. You ought to have to have a pretty good reason before killing a baby.

We (everyone) villify women like Susan Smith, who killed her own children, yet let someone dare say that maybe, just maybe, you ought to have a good reason before being allowed to kill your unborn child and people act as if you are some kind of idiot.

It gets tiresome. It isn't a tumor, it isn't a mouse, it is a baby. So maybe in the first few weeks in doesn't look much like one, so what... should we be allowed to kill newborns for the crime of being deformed or ugly? So for the first few weeks it doesn't have enough brain to be sentient... if you fricking leave it alone for a few months it WILL be sentient!

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to get an abortion for a legitimate risk to your life... I'm just saying that it isn't so damn unreasonable to ask someone to provide a decent reason before allowing them to end the life of the baby in their womb.

It blows my mind that so many of the same people who agonize over the issue of putting a murderer to death, who badmouth the military because once in a while civilians in the middle of a war-zone get killed, don't bat an eye over putting an unborn baby to death with no need for any reason other than "mommy doesn't want me."

It isn't arrogant to expect someone to provide a damn reason why before allowing them to kill their baby. So it's in your womb... location doesn't alter humanity. So it's dependent on your body... a baby will be dependent on someone for their life for many years; a sick person may be dependent on hospital staff until they get better. These are not good arguments.

If it's nobody's business if you have an abortion, or whether you have a good reason for it, then it's nobody's business that Susan Smith decided to kill her children or why. Both events end innocent human life.

A man is held liable for 18 years of child support, whether he wanted a baby or not... "well, you had sex with her, you should have known she could get pregnant!" Yet asking a woman to tolerate a baby depending on her for just 9 months for the same reason, unless she has a good reason why not, is arrogant and tyrannical. What hypocrisy.

One day a spot on a stick turns blue and a woman says "I have an unwanted non-human lump of tissue in my womb, which I will have removed through abortion because I don't want to be pregnant right now. This is not a baby, and it's nobody's business but mine." Some years later another strip turns blue for that same woman, and she says "Oh I'm so happy, I'm having a baby! There's a life growing inside of me! My boyfriend doesn't want a baby though, but screw him, I'll make him pay child support anyway. Isn't everyone so happy for me?"

Honestly, does nobody see just a bit of a contradiction there?? The inconsistent hypocrisy of it makes my blood boil.

(end rant. We now return to your normal, mild-mannered Goshin.)
 
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