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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Exactly. Babies are precious. Zygotes are not. If I started thinking that babies and zygotes were equally precious, it would inevitably reduce the significance I attach to babies.
    When is the baby a baby? A zygote is a maturing human at an earlier stage of maturity than a baby. Embryo. A toddler is another stage of maturing human. Teenagers. Where does your attachment start?

    I care about a what is inside the pregnant tummy of a woman, does that reduce the significance that I should attach to a born baby. C'mon, that's just ridiculous.

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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    When is the baby a baby? A zygote is a maturing human at an earlier stage of maturity than a baby. Embryo. A toddler is another stage of maturing human. Teenagers. Where does your attachment start?
    I don't know. But I do know some of the points where it has not started at all yet: All zygotes.

    I care about a what is inside the pregnant tummy of a woman, does that reduce the significance that I should attach to a born baby. C'mon, that's just ridiculous.
    Should? I said nothing about should. I commented about indulging yourself in absurdity. If you continue to believe that zygotes are as significant as babies, you will inevitably reduce the moral significance of babies. This is because zygotes ARE, by their nature, insignificant. If you make babies and zygotes equivalent, your mind will eventually attempt to reconcile this illogic. It will do so partly by reducing the significance of babies.

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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I don't know. But I do know some of the points where it has not started at all yet: All zygotes.

    Should? I said nothing about should. I commented about indulging yourself in absurdity. If you continue to believe that zygotes are as significant as babies, you will inevitably reduce the moral significance of babies. This is because zygotes ARE, by their nature, insignificant. If you make babies and zygotes equivalent, your mind will eventually attempt to reconcile this illogic. It will do so partly by reducing the significance of babies.
    I hear that. Well said. I was seeking clarification and you provided it. Thanks.

    I agree that zygotes and babies, even embryos, are not comparable. I do feel that an unborn baby after three months is certainly as endearing as a born baby.

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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Nope. Still trying to tell a woman what she should or should not do or have to take in reguards to HER BODY
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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    I hear that. Well said. I was seeking clarification and you provided it. Thanks.

    I agree that zygotes and babies, even embryos, are not comparable. I do feel that an unborn baby after three months is certainly as endearing as a born baby.
    I can say I think they look endearing, but since I have never interacted with one, I can't say whether or not they in fact are.

    My current stance is simple, but also complex. The (human) organism transforms in a steady manner from human zygote to human baby. It steadily becomes more significant as it matures into babyhood. I am uncertain when it actually does become a baby. The later the abortion (as simple contraception), the more it is like murder. At some point, morally, it is simply that: Murder.

    I think this position is completely dissatisfying to many people because it isn't black and white enough.

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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Tiresome? Tiresome is having to listening to males that have no clue! The day you can CARRY that around for 9 Months? I may take you serious. Til then? Nope!

    You wanna try your hand at carrying around a something that was the result of incest or rape? I bet you would not be so frigging pro-life Then! I know your temper based on your post and then and only then would you get an understanding. But that is never gonna happen.

    Tiresome is having to "explain" what I may do to MY body to anybody! Again: once you can carry around that something? Get back to me. Til then? You have no clue!
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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I can say I think they look endearing, but since I have never interacted with one, I can't say whether or not they in fact are.

    My current stance is simple, but also complex. The (human) organism transforms in a steady manner from human zygote to human baby. It steadily becomes more significant as it matures into babyhood. I am uncertain when it actually does become a baby. The later the abortion (as simple contraception), the more it is like murder. At some point, morally, it is simply that: Murder.

    I think this position is completely dissatisfying to many people because it isn't black and white enough.
    I am actually on par with you here. It becomes murder at some point, and it certainly is not black and white enough for most people who need specific boundaries.

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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Tiresome? Tiresome is having to listening to males that have no clue! The day you can CARRY that around for 9 Months? I may take you serious. Til then? Nope!

    You wanna try your hand at carrying around a something that was the result of incest or rape? I bet you would not be so frigging pro-life Then! I know your temper based on your post and then and only then would you get an understanding. But that is never gonna happen.

    Tiresome is having to "explain" what I may do to MY body to anybody! Again: once you can carry around that something? Get back to me. Til then? You have no clue!
    Suicide is illegal. It is my body, why can't I kill it legally in the whole of the USA.

    And the wholle, you aren't a woman so your opinion is worthless, crap is just that, crap. A non-parent can have an opinion on parenting. A non-soldier can have an opinion on the military and battle. I have a kid, do you? Hope so if you are ever going to shoot off your mouth about parenting, and you know what? You better be a mom if you are going to talk about pregnancy too. Otherwise it is just ****ing tiresome listening to you spout off trying to "explain" what mothers may do with their body.

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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Nope. Still trying to tell a woman what she should or should not do or have to take in reguards to HER BODY
    If there is an independent life form growing in her body, then aborting that life has little to do with her body and everything to do with killing the other life form. Sorry lady, but that is just part of being a woman. You need to deal with it.

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    Re: Would you change your stance on abortion if ...

    hmmm when is abortion murder? when the fetus is viable outside the womb, I believe that happens at about 28 weeks, which is about 7 months of pregnancy
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