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    Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Ok. So I am looking at the news, we have the tea partiers who are pissed off, for what they believe are good reasons, about the lack of true conservative values and leadership in government.

    One complain I hear is that once a person gets elected and go to Washington, they begin to compromise and become too liberal (Whats interesting though is many liberals feel that their guys are too conservative). The idea is that these politicians should continue to espouse true conservative values such as small government, lower taxes, strong national defense, etc.

    My question is, is that even possible or it is simply a fact of life that being in a leadership position necessarily moderates a person?
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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    I think it is completely possible to go back to old school conservatism. I do not think that will be possible through the GOP. The party is a false party now, known and measured to betray their constituents and their ideology when convenient. To return to old school conservatism, you'll need an old school conservatism party. There's no traditional conservatism left in the GOP.
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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it is completely possible to go back to old school conservatism. I do not think that will be possible through the GOP. The party is a false party now, known and measured to betray their constituents and their ideology when convenient. To return to old school conservatism, you'll need an old school conservatism party. There's no traditional conservatism left in the GOP.
    Is that a function of the GOP representing its constituency, which contains both conservatives and moderates, or is due to some other factor?

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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Is that a function of the GOP representing its constituency, which contains both conservatives and moderates, or is due to some other factor?
    It's due to the Republocrats isolating themselves from the People. They don't (either party actually) serve The People. They serve Wall Street and the banks; their buddies in high places. It's not something innate to conservatism, it's something innate to government and power.
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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post

    My question is, is that even possible or it is simply a fact of life that being in a leadership position necessarily moderates a person?
    Of course it does. You have to represent the people that didn't vote for you also. Now you can campaign on overturning Roe V Wade and putting the 10 commandments back in the courthouse or stopping the war and kissing polar bears, but the harsh reality of lie is, that stuff won't work in real life.

    Sure you might loose some single issue voters, but you loose a whole lot more moderates (aka real people.) It's what made Clinton such a good politition and Bush such a bad one.
    Clinto was able to triangulate twords the populist. Bush didn't give a toss and alienated millions. Hence the first black teenage President in US History.

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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    It's what made Clinton such a good politition and Bush such a bad one.
    So bombing a country into the stone age is ok so long as you don't commit troops? You see, there wasn't much difference between Clinton and Bush, or Bush and Obama. Different sides of the same coin; but they all serve the same master.
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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    No since there is more money and power in the status quo. Say one thing and do the opposite when in power.
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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Possible, its would take quite the sell, I think people are smarter than that.
    But define "old school conservatism".

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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Possible, its would take quite the sell, I think people are smarter than that.
    But define "old school conservatism".
    In this thread, I am defining it as the thing that the tea partiers are protesting for. Small government, small entitlement programs such as medicare (or nonexistent), low taxes, etc. Mostly the fiscal side and not the social side.

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    Re: Is it possible to go back to old school conservatism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So bombing a country into the stone age is ok so long as you don't commit troops? You see, there wasn't much difference between Clinton and Bush, or Bush and Obama. Different sides of the same coin; but they all serve the same master.
    And that master is ?
    money?
    man?
    I do agree, these politicians are much the same, but I think Obama is more "man" orientated than Bush.
    No sense in bombing a country to where they already are..(Islamic controlled nations)...

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