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Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

  • Yes

    Votes: 53 82.8%
  • No

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 5 7.8%
  • Racism Is a Myth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    64
I agree, in part. I stated in another thread that "it’s actually quite rare that the starting point of racism is belief in the genetic inferiority of certain racial groups. More often, it’s related to perceived aggression or offense from a group of people highly populated by a certain race or ethnic group, with discrimination against that race or ethnic group then becoming a convenient mechanism for quickly and effectively categorizing them."

In that thread, we were discussing the allegedly racist attitudes of the Minuteman Project and border vigilantes. I first referred to the cognivite scientist George Lakoff's commentary on the social conservative's view of illegal immigrants and the violation of their moral values that such immigrants' behavior involves.



I then commented that "as illegal immigrants are viewed that way, and as most illegal immigrants are persons of full or mixed-blooded Indian descent, and given that most Americans incorrectly consider Mexicans a racial group and group Indians of Guatemalan, Nicaraguan, or Salvadorean descent (just to offer several examples) into the “Mexican” group, it’s not surprising that you hear Mexican jokes or slurs; “Mexican” identity has become a way to easily aggregate the people violating the social conservatives’ moral precepts."

Let's consider the example of blacks next, who are stereotypically regarded as being the greatest users of social welfare programs in the country. Apart from being inaccurate, since whites use more total welfare (because of their greater numbers), and there is thus a greater probability of encountering a white welfare user than a black one, welfare provision is regarded as another violation of the social conservative's principes. It is considered to be free provision of rewards to a person that has not worked for it, thereby undermining individual responsibility and self-reliance. (That this is misleading and untrue is irrelevant; the fact that social conservatives believe it to be true is the important part.) If blacks are regarded as the primary users of welfare services, then it stands to reason that blacks would also be regarded as uniquely irresponsible. Blackness then becomes a convenient mechanism for quickly and effectively mentally categorizing welfare users, with certain "urban" traits (speech in the black dialect, a certain style of dress and appearance, etc.) strengthening the categorization more.

This hardly stems from a pre-existing belief in black racial inferiority; it's just that black skin color is associated with welfare usage, high crime rates, and other aspects of "ghetto" life that social conservatives regard as profoundly immoral. And that can lead to racial discrimination, even if the offender is not aware of the exact nature of his or her conduct.



This sort of racial discrimination would be dismissed by most people as relatively innocuous, and I do tend to agree to some extent. It's not related to any significant social institutions that affect the average daily lives or conditions of blacks, and can thus cause relatively little harm. And more than anything else, it's symptomatic of a more racist socio-cultural environment than a direct cause of the illness. You've developed expectations of blacks based on the fact that their behavior patterns seem to deviate from those of whites.

At some point in the future, when differential treatment and conditions of whites and blacks ceases to exist, perceptions of very significant divergences in behavior patterns will also fade away. For example, I wouldn't expect you to discriminate between WASP patrons and "white ethnic" patrons because you've not been conditioned to expect different behavior patterns from the latter group, or even to be able to quickly identify them as distinct, as people were able to do in times past. I might have expected a waiter in 1910 to treat Italian patrons differently than the "Anglo-American" patrons, but I'd hardly expect it in 2010 because the WASP and Italian populations are similarly socialized now, with Italian ethnic background being a novel curiosity rather than a life-changing stigma.

What a very intelligent post!

You make me want to clarify. I'm not sure my stereotype is necessarily racist. I don't think there's anything inherent in "blackness" that makes somebody a bad tipper. It's quite clearly cultural.
 
So, as a hypothetical, you are telling me that if:

You, during your days of running people down a river (If memory serves, you mentioned white-water rafting?), experianced that a majority of white males of an age within 10-15 years of you (excluding those with certian religious backgrounds) tried to hit on you at some point during the trip.

Are you saying that, given the above, you would not then form a stereotype that would lead you to expect this behavior out of any other white males within 10-15 years of your age, when transported down a river by a female of your general attractiveness?

I think that you might.
I've had men hit on me from ages 16 - 65.

All races. And many nationalities, for that matter.

As far as your hypothetical goes, I would expect that behavior from MEN in that age range. Their race would be irrelevant.
 
Is that so? I must say, I've never met a true "half-breed" who didn't bear a greater resemblance or phenotypic association to the darker race.
It's somewhat odd that somewhat half-Indian does not physically evidence this racial heritage, though perhaps not entirely unheard of. Are you sure that's your exact background

Sorry, I should have been more precise. I'm not technically a half-breed, as in one Native parent; couple of grandparents, and I'm not positive they were both "full-blood" as I didn't know them that well. I'm darker than most caucasians and have a epicanthic fold in the eyes (or whatever it is you call that thing.). I've had some people ask me if I was part Native, but most don't seem to notice or else don't say anything about it. My Dad was more obviously part-Native.
 
What a very intelligent post!

You make me want to clarify. I'm not sure my stereotype is necessarily racist. I don't think there's anything inherent in "blackness" that makes somebody a bad tipper. It's quite clearly cultural.

Thanks. :)

That's effectively what I meant, though. Mainstream social conservatives do not generally believe that blacks are genetically inferior or encounter socio-cultural problems because of their blackness. That reverses the chicken and the egg. Their blackness and cultural traits associated with "blackness" instead become a convenient mechanism for categorizing "welfare queens" and "lazy criminals." It's not related to any inherent issue with blacks.

There are some on the far right that go further and do ultimately conclude that blacks are genetically inferior and predisposed to have lower intelligence levels and aberrant behavior patterns. But they are not present in mainstream social conservatism, but rather with the extremist social conservatism that encompasses white nationalism and similar ideologies.
 
Skin color.

A) White

B) Black
Ah, so two completely identical communities, with only the skin color of the majority population differing.

Should have noted that in your previous post. :doh

That said, such a situation is impossible, as no two communities are identical in all aspects except skin color of occupants.
Not sure how I would decide if the two were identical.
Hmm.

As I have had little social interaction with persons whose skin is black so far in my life, perhaps the black-skinned community would be more interesting.

But then, if they are identical, the community culture would also be identical, so that's not gonna work...

Meh.
 
Sorry, I should have been more precise. I'm not technically a half-breed, as in one Native parent; couple of grandparents, and I'm not positive they were both "full-blood" as I didn't know them that well. I'm darker than most caucasians and have a epicanthic fold in the eyes (or whatever it is you call that thing.). I've had some people ask me if I was part Native, but most don't seem to notice or else don't say anything about it. My Dad was more obviously part-Native.

Ah, I see. Contrary to any one-drop rule ideas, I generally classify people into the races that they possess majority genetic heritage from and physically resemble the most. Hence, though African-Americans are on average four-fifths black and one-fifth white, they are simply "black" and not "biracial." And even mulattoes are incorporated into the black race because of their greater phenotypic resemblance to blacks than whites, i.e. they're not a "happy medium." That's why I tend to roll my eyes at whites who describe themselves as "biracial" or "mixed" because they claim to have a drop of Indian blood, but I understand that wasn't your intent.
 
Ah, I see. Contrary to any one-drop rule ideas, I generally classify people into the races that they possess majority genetic heritage from and physically resemble the most. Hence, though African-Americans are on average four-fifths black and one-fifth white, they are simply "black" and not "biracial." And even mulattoes are incorporated into the black race because of their greater phenotypic resemblance to blacks than whites, i.e. they're not a "happy medium." That's why I tend to roll my eyes at whites who describe themselves as "biracial" or "mixed" because they claim to have a drop of Indian blood, but I understand that wasn't your intent.

Even those who want to get into a good college? :mrgreen: Kidding!
 
Ah, so two completely identical communities, with only the skin color of the majority population differing.

Should have noted that in your previous post. :doh

That said, such a situation is impossible, as no two communities are identical in all aspects except skin color of occupants.
Not sure how I would decide if the two were identical.
Hmm.

As I have had little social interaction with persons whose skin is black so far in my life, perhaps the black-skinned community would be more interesting.

But then, if they are identical, the community culture would also be identical, so that's not gonna work...

Meh.

(Hence: "Lets Pretend")

Chalk one deflection up for Mark!
 
(Hence: "Lets Pretend")

Chalk one deflection up for Mark!
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Huh?

Are you trying to imply that I could have made a decision and chose not to?

If the communities were identical, how the hell could I choose between the two?
 
I wasn't necessarily speaking about "glass ceilings". I was referring more to the attitudes women are met with, as compared to male counterparts. :?

I understand. Believe me...working in the social services (a female dominated world) you are often treated as a male that you have no business being in the field because after all, as a heterosexual white male you ARE after all the source and cause of all evil.

And I get what you said. I mentioned...I saw a LOT of that in the military...women were often 'tolerated'...humored...and placed in roles like the tool crib, the ops offices, debrief, etc.

I dont pretend to 'know' womens experiences...any more than I 'know' others. I know my own. And I still maintain...prejudice and discrimination is a universal practice. Wouldst that it werent.
 
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Huh?

Are you trying to imply that I could have made a decision and chose not to?

If the communities were identical, how the hell could I choose between the two?

They weren't identical. It was a very simple question purposely written on an elementary level. Btw: This is one of the questions on a psychological evaluation for law enforcement.
 
Lets pretend Catz has to make a choice between two almost identical neighborhoods to move to. But the only thing different between these two neighborhoods is the skin color. Would you pick the black neighborhood or the white neighborhood? And you have to pick either one, so which one is it going to be, Cat?

A) White

B) Black

If everything was the same (including levels of crime and school quality), I'd buy wherever I could buy the most house for the money.

Unfortunately, that isn't the case. I bought in a neighborhood here that is about 30-40% black, but had the lowest crime and the best schools in the area. Those were my primary considerations. I didn't really care what my neighbors' skin colors were (though mixed would be preferable since my kids are half white and half asian/islander.
 
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I understand. Believe me...working in the social services (a female dominated world) you are often treated as a male that you have no business being in the field because after all, as a heterosexual white male you ARE after all the source and cause of all evil.

I have to agree with this one (coming from a similar field). I much prefer working with cops to working with social workers.

People who try to vilify men really annoy me.
 
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Ah, I see. Contrary to any one-drop rule ideas, I generally classify people into the races that they possess majority genetic heritage from and physically resemble the most. Hence, though African-Americans are on average four-fifths black and one-fifth white, they are simply "black" and not "biracial." And even mulattoes are incorporated into the black race because of their greater phenotypic resemblance to blacks than whites, i.e. they're not a "happy medium." That's why I tend to roll my eyes at whites who describe themselves as "biracial" or "mixed" because they claim to have a drop of Indian blood, but I understand that wasn't your intent.

My kids are half filipino, and we use the scientific term "caucapino." We were going to use filicasian, but people found it confusing.
 
If everything was the same (including levels of crime and school quality), I'd buy wherever I could buy the most house for the money.

Unfortunately, that isn't the case. I bought in a neighborhood here that is about 30-40% black, but has the best schools in the area. That was my primary consideration.

You're dodging a very simple question. If you're having trouble understanding and or answering this question then you may just be mentally incompetent.... but i believe that you are competent enough to give me an answer.
 
They weren't identical. It was a very simple question purposely written on an elementary level. Btw: This is one of the questions on a psychological evaluation for law enforcement.
Well, you said they would be identical except for skin color.

That implies that the culture and all other things would also be identical.

Stereotypes as to a black community being subtlety hostile to a white person entering their community would not apply, as the communities are identical - I would be welcomed, treated in a neutral manner, or treated in a hostile manner in both.

Stereotypes about a white person being more comfortable among their own kind would not apply, as the communities are identical - I would be comfortable in both.

So my only deciding factor would be my interest in living among a different culture, or not, and since the two are identical, it wouldn't matter which I chose.

I suppose a dice role might be the way to go.

Have each community head roll 4D6, and whichever gets the highest gets my entrance into their community. :mrgreen:
 
You're dodging a very simple question. If you're having trouble understanding and or answering this question then you may just be mentally incompetent.... but i believe that you are competent enough to give me an answer.

Skin color would not be a factor for me. I live in a racially mixed area, and my basis for picking my house was purely on the basis of school test scores and crimes per capita, then affordability. I didn't know the skin colors of any of my neighbors when I bought my house, I wasn't from this area. Turns out that 3 of my ten neighbors are black. Don't really care. See it as a positive, to be frank. I want my kids to feel comfortable around people from different races and cultures. If 7 of the 10 had been black, and the area had high test scores and low crime, I'd have bought the same house.

I don't necessarily feel more comfortable around whites than I do blacks. :shrug: Or, vice versa. I feel equally comfortable in either setting.
 
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Stereotypes as to a black community being subtlety hostile to a white person entering their community would not apply, as the communities are identical - I would be welcomed, treated in a neutral manner, or treated in a hostile manner in both.

Stereotypes about a white person being more comfortable among their own kind would not apply, as the communities are identical - I would be comfortable in both.

My boyfriend bought a house in a neighborhood that is 90% black and has slowly been rehabbing it. I've spent an inordinate amount of time at his house helping him with it, and his neighbors have gotten familiar with me. I don't notice a substantial difference in his neighbors, except the houses are smaller and they are less affluent. They are as friendly to me as the white neighbors in my neighborhood. I like some of them, and am not particularly friendly with others. Same as my neighborhood, basically.

I'm not less comfortable being around blacks than I am being around whites. I've spent the bulk of my career being a minority (because I'm white) during the performance of my job responsibilities. It is, for me, a non-issue. Some people have attempted to make it an issue, but I've quickly defused that. My first real office job, during college, I was a minority, and that has basically held true for the last 20 years of my life. I am grateful to the people that I've worked with who taught me to view people as people.
 
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When I bought my house, I looked at the same things Catz did.

1. House affordability (inclusive of property tax, homes association, neighborhood upkeep, etc...)

2. Area schools (to include, elementary, middle and high - their test scores overall to include making AYP and state standard of excellence awards)

3. Overall incidents of crime and property damage reports

I really didn't do anything to research the demographics as far as race was concerned. /shrug
 
Have You Ever Experienced Racism? If so, please feel free to share about it here.

I think people would be shocked if they knew the number of peoples who are subjected to racism on a daily basis.

I don't think I have, not really. I've been the butt of some racist jokes, but I love racist jokes.

I've been profiled but that's not the same, and I did fit the profile.

No I don't think I've ever been on the receiving end of real racism.
 
My boyfriend bought a house in a neighborhood that is 90% black and has slowly been rehabbing it. I've spent an inordinate amount of time at his house helping him with it, and his neighbors have gotten familiar with me. I don't notice a substantial difference in his neighbors, except the houses are smaller and they are less affluent. They are as friendly to me as the white neighbors in my neighborhood. I like some of them, and am not particularly friendly with others. Same as my neighborhood, basically.

I'm not less comfortable being around blacks than I am being around whites. I've spent the bulk of my career being a minority (because I'm white) during the performance of my job responsibilities. It is, for me, a non-issue. Some people have attempted to make it an issue, but I've quickly defused that. My first real office job, during college, I was a minority, and that has basically held true for the last 20 years of my life. I am grateful to the people that I've worked with who taught me to view people as people.
I was not trying to imply that those stereotypes would be given consideration by me.

It simply seemed to me that they were what the poster responding to my statements was driving for, and so I used them to outline how inapplicable they were to the given scenario.
 
Skin color would not be a factor for me. I live in a racially mixed area, and my basis for picking my house was purely on the basis of school test scores and crimes per capita, then affordability. I didn't know the skin colors of any of my neighbors when I bought my house, I wasn't from this area. Turns out that 3 of my ten neighbors are black. Don't really care. See it as a positive, to be frank. If 7 of the 10 had been black, and the area had high test scores and low crime, I'd have bought the same house.

But you're dodging the question again. This is a make believe situation. Don't worry the ACLU isn't not going to take you away. I don't care about you're hood in real life. Now if you cant answer either A) or B) then that means you are terrified of being labeled a racist when in reality it's just natural. The kids are segregated in the School lunchrooms all across America, And the segregation is all voluntary. Most of the Blacks, Whites, and Latinos sit and congregate with their own race and they're not labeled racists. All humans gravitate towards what their accustomed to.
 
I was not trying to imply that those stereotypes would be given consideration by me.

It simply seemed to me that they were what the poster responding to my statements was driving for, and so I used them to outline how inapplicable they were to the given scenario.

I was expressing agreement with you.
 
It is sad to hear stories of racism. The first one that comes to my mind was this one time I had went to a party with a black male friend of mine and was the only white female inside the home. Anyways we were there maybe about an hour when my friend comes up to me and said we got to get the **** out of here and now.

I had already had a few drinks and was enjoying myself so was like I am not leaving you go ahead and I will catch a ride with someone. He was like no we are leaving NOW! By that time he was kinda screaming and pulling me out. Anyways once we got in car and drove off?

He explained to me that a bunch of the girls were gonna jump me and cut me up because "that white bitch does not belong up in here". I had NO CLUE this was happening and thank goodness my friend overheard it and got me the hell outta there:(

That did not/does not stop me from going to similar parties after that nor from hanging in the "hood". I will not allow a bunch of racist bitches ruin where I go but it did make me more aware of my surroundings and to have my ears very much open. And trust me I do get plenty of mean looks, etc. But nothing to that extent.

Also I have been out with non-white friends and get dirty looks from white folks-as in-what are you doing with them. It is sad. Also notice if going into shops with non-white friends? The salesclerks seem to follow and watch us a little more close than they would just me.

I see somewhat racism or grouping at work due to the way whites and blacks seem to avoid each other. I jump in with both crowds:)


Those are just a few off top my head.
 
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