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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Some are saying that, judging by their past experiences, the majority of persons who fit into a certain sub-group tend towards certain actions in a given situation.
    I have to say that I haven't noticed those trends. I see people as individuals.

    I've spent the majority of my career being the minority...working in heavily black/latino neighborhoods. What I've found is that it's really impossible to stereotype with any degree of accuracy. It is not a system of dealing with people that I've found useful.

    My parents both have racist impulses, and expressed them frequently. For whatever reason, my brother and I were not infected with their views.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    So when I waited tables, and got a table full of african-americans, I tried to pass them off cause they have a tendency not to tip. Stereotypical? You betcha. Was also 100% true in my restaurant career. Sometimes sterotypes are right.
    My black friends tip. I find it interesting that based upon your experiences, the stereotype is right. Based upon mine, it's dead wrong.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Sadly yes. I have seen actions from KKK members driving and stopping at a young black couples house to a few teenage black kids keeping a few teenage white kids from going to a pool simple because of skin color. I had a friend that wouldn't let anyone in his car unless they were white. Racism is a sad thing to witness.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    I haven't experienced racism persay.

    But when I moved from England to South Africa, alot of people implied I had AIDS cause I was from there. And simply because I was from another country use to call me illegal immigrant. But I none of this in my mind counts as racism.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    My black friends tip. I find it interesting that based upon your experiences, the stereotype is right. Based upon mine, it's dead wrong.
    Shoulda sent your black friends my way!

    They had a 100% track record in my experience. Now I can see how often it can be a self fulfilling prophecy (ie. I don't think you're going to tip, so I'm going to give you crappy service), but I sincerely hope that wasn't the case in my situation. I wasn't just making a buck at college, I started out as a professional server and bad service, regardless of the reason, wasn't an option. I've also worked the full range of restaurants, from fine dining to (shudder) a rib shack, so from my anecdotal evidence, it doesn't appear to be a socio-economic phenomenon.

    Now don't get me wrong, I've waited on plenty of pleasant, very nice black people. They just pleasantly stiff you at the end of the dinner! I didn't mind, after a couple years. You start treating it like the stock markets. You gotta take the down days along with the ups.
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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    It may also be that the people I work with, for whatever reason, are more worldly and well-traveled, and there is peer pressure to tip.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Me too! I am better educated and have a great deal more experience than my white female boss, or HER white female division chief, and HER black female director...and better education and experience but less rank than HER boss...the white female wing commander, and HER boss...the OTHER white female BASE commander...

    I'm tellin ya...theres a glass ceiling out there...

    ;-)

    It DOES exist. Not downplaying womens experiences...believe me...I saw it in the military a LOT. But in todays PC world it is just as likely to be employed, but in a 'corrective' manner. And its STILL a form of 'ism'.

    And personally...I dont care. I've got a GREAT job and I REALLY like working under 5 women...its GOOD to let them all get on top! ( for the record...every one of them is VERY GOOD at what they do...)

    I wasn't necessarily speaking about "glass ceilings". I was referring more to the attitudes women are met with, as compared to male counterparts.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I wasn't necessarily speaking about "glass ceilings". I was referring more to the attitudes women are met with, as compared to male counterparts.
    I think that as a woman in a man's field, I'm always greeted with a faint smirk of condescension. It always takes me slightly longer to prove myself, to show that I really know what I'm talking about, that I've really done the job and I know it backwards and forwards.

    As I get older, it gets slightly easier, but the fact that I'm an attractive woman is, and always will be, an obstacle in some ways. On the other hand, in some ways, it is also an advantage.

    As a woman, I can do things men can't. And I'm well aware of that. Everything is a trade off.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that as a woman in a man's field, I'm always greeted with a faint smirk of condescension. It always takes me slightly longer to prove myself, to show that I really know what I'm talking about, that I've really done the job and I know it backwards and forwards.

    As I get older, it gets slightly easier, but the fact that I'm an attractive woman is, and always will be, an obstacle in some ways. On the other hand, in some ways, it is also an advantage.

    As a woman, I can do things men can't. And I'm well aware of that. Everything is a trade off.
    I agree wholeheartedly, and that is what I was referring to earlier when I mentioned sexism.

    It happens almost daily. A man will have to interact with me and approaches with an air of condescension as if I'm not going to be able to find my ass with my two hands. Normally it starts out the way, but ends differently... with at least them losing that superior attitude and just treating me as a very capable and experienced PERSON who is doing my job.

    I don't want to be treated as a man - I am a woman and there ARE differences between the sexes and thank god for that... however... I want to be treated as the person that I am and not someone's second class citizen simply because I'm female. Period.

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    Re: Have You Ever Experienced Racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I not only agree, I think forming stereotypes is human nature and we can't not do it. When we see a growling dog, we back up slowly, because our past experiences with growling dogs have taught us that it could be dangerous. If we weren't able to place an individual/object into a category based off of some characteristic, we wouldn't have gotten far as a species.
    I agree, in part. I stated in another thread that "it’s actually quite rare that the starting point of racism is belief in the genetic inferiority of certain racial groups. More often, it’s related to perceived aggression or offense from a group of people highly populated by a certain race or ethnic group, with discrimination against that race or ethnic group then becoming a convenient mechanism for quickly and effectively categorizing them."

    In that thread, we were discussing the allegedly racist attitudes of the Minuteman Project and border vigilantes. I first referred to the cognivite scientist George Lakoff's commentary on the social conservative's view of illegal immigrants and the violation of their moral values that such immigrants' behavior involves.

    Within Strict Father [conservative] morality, illegal immigrants are seen as lawbreakers (“illegals”) who should be punished. People who hire them are just pursuing their self-interest, as they should, and so are doing nothing wrong. [Of course, that’s not always true anymore.] From the perspective of the Nation as Family metaphor, illegal immigrants are not citizens, hence they are not children in our family. To be expected to provide food, housing, and health care for illegal immigrants is like being expected to feed, house, and care for other children in the neighborhood who are coming into our house without permission. They weren’t invited, they have no business being here, and we have no responsibility to take care of them.
    I then commented that "as illegal immigrants are viewed that way, and as most illegal immigrants are persons of full or mixed-blooded Indian descent, and given that most Americans incorrectly consider Mexicans a racial group and group Indians of Guatemalan, Nicaraguan, or Salvadorean descent (just to offer several examples) into the “Mexican” group, it’s not surprising that you hear Mexican jokes or slurs; “Mexican” identity has become a way to easily aggregate the people violating the social conservatives’ moral precepts."

    Let's consider the example of blacks next, who are stereotypically regarded as being the greatest users of social welfare programs in the country. Apart from being inaccurate, since whites use more total welfare (because of their greater numbers), and there is thus a greater probability of encountering a white welfare user than a black one, welfare provision is regarded as another violation of the social conservative's principes. It is considered to be free provision of rewards to a person that has not worked for it, thereby undermining individual responsibility and self-reliance. (That this is misleading and untrue is irrelevant; the fact that social conservatives believe it to be true is the important part.) If blacks are regarded as the primary users of welfare services, then it stands to reason that blacks would also be regarded as uniquely irresponsible. Blackness then becomes a convenient mechanism for quickly and effectively mentally categorizing welfare users, with certain "urban" traits (speech in the black dialect, a certain style of dress and appearance, etc.) strengthening the categorization more.

    This hardly stems from a pre-existing belief in black racial inferiority; it's just that black skin color is associated with welfare usage, high crime rates, and other aspects of "ghetto" life that social conservatives regard as profoundly immoral. And that can lead to racial discrimination, even if the offender is not aware of the exact nature of his or her conduct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    So when I waited tables, and got a table full of african-americans, I tried to pass them off cause they have a tendency not to tip. Stereotypical? You betcha. Was also 100% true in my restaurant career. Sometimes sterotypes are right.
    This sort of racial discrimination would be dismissed by most people as relatively innocuous, and I do tend to agree to some extent. It's not related to any significant social institutions that affect the average daily lives or conditions of blacks, and can thus cause relatively little harm. And more than anything else, it's symptomatic of a more racist socio-cultural environment than a direct cause of the illness. You've developed expectations of blacks based on the fact that their behavior patterns seem to deviate from those of whites.

    At some point in the future, when differential treatment and conditions of whites and blacks ceases to exist, perceptions of very significant divergences in behavior patterns will also fade away. For example, I wouldn't expect you to discriminate between WASP patrons and "white ethnic" patrons because you've not been conditioned to expect different behavior patterns from the latter group, or even to be able to quickly identify them as distinct, as people were able to do in times past. I might have expected a waiter in 1910 to treat Italian patrons differently than the "Anglo-American" patrons, but I'd hardly expect it in 2010 because the WASP and Italian populations are similarly socialized now, with Italian ethnic background being a novel curiosity rather than a life-changing stigma.

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