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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    There are places like HI and other subtropical areas where they can be grown.
    So HI is going to grow enough coca,poppies and other plants to support the hard drug demand in our country?


    Again, ideally this would be done in cooperation with several other countries.



    Hence the cooperation part
    So we are going to rely on other countries to promise not use/outsource production to cartels to grow our stuff?






    They can't do much about it. Either adapt or they have no money to buy the resources to threaten them with.

    Actually they can do much about it on their turf.

    No, They will shrink significantly if not die off completely.
    Not in countries like Mexico with a corrupt government and crappy law enforcement.

    Along with the normal costs of business one needs a steady string of replacements,
    Considering the fact Mexico is a dirt poor 3rd world country replacements are probably not that expensive.

    weapons,
    Can't be that expensive if they stole them or bought them off of someone else who stole those weapons.

    bribe money
    Do you think all they do is sell drugs?



    If their competition undercuts them, no money,
    If their competition is on the same soil as they are, then that competition is dead or extorted for money,not no money

    This is like saying that legitimate alcohol couldn't start up after Prohibition because the Bootleggers would threaten the legitimate businesses.
    We pretty much got crime controlled in our country, can you say the same thing about Mexico and other countries? The bootleggers that were here in the US went legitimate and were probably legit before prohibition and the mobs switched to something else. Plus the stuff used to make beer and other alcohol can be grown and purchased here in the US and brewed in the US.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post

    I never said I wanted you to pay for anything. I'm just asking why you feel the need to imprison some guy because he felt like getting high. He's not hurting you.
    Someone high could hurt others. In Arizona it was just announced that the truck driver who killed 4 and injured a bunch more motercycle riders last week was arrested. The driver was high on meth. We arrest drunk drivers, why not drug users.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So HI is going to grow enough coca,poppies and other plants to support the hard drug demand in our country?

    And subtropical areas as well as other countries that compete.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So we are going to rely on other countries to promise not use/outsource production to cartels to grow our stuff?
    See below

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    Actually they can do much about it on their turf.
    Cartels aren't street gangs

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not in countries like Mexico with a corrupt government and crappy law enforcement.
    What would the law enforcement go after? The stuff is legal. The government wouldn't run it.

    Considering the fact Mexico is a dirt poor 3rd world country replacements are probably not that expensive.


    Can't be that expensive if they stole them or bought them off of someone else who stole those weapons. [/QUOTE]

    Call me crazy, but I think that when you're taking on a nations sizable military, you're using a good amount of resources.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you think all they do is sell drugs?
    Of course not, but it is their most significant source of revenue.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If their competition is on the same soil as they are, then that competition is dead or extorted for money,not no money
    THEY WOULD HAVE NO MONEY TO GO AGAINST THEM WITH


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We pretty much got crime controlled in our country, can you say the same thing about Mexico and other countries? The bootleggers that were here in the US went legitimate and were probably legit before prohibition and the mobs switched to something else. Plus the stuff used to make beer and other alcohol can be grown and purchased here in the US and brewed in the US.
    18,000 murders in Mexico a year is not an improvement by any means. Also, I don't see this as a reason to not lower violence more in the US.

    Again, see the other thread. This has all been addressed ad nauseum.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Someone high could hurt others. In Arizona it was just announced that the truck driver who killed 4 and injured a bunch more motercycle riders last week was arrested. The driver was high on meth. We arrest drunk drivers, why not drug users.

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    1000s of people die from drunk driving every single year. Yet alcohol is still legal. Do we arrest random drunks that aren't doing anything to anyone else? Getting into a car drunk/high places others in a clear and present danger. Sitting at home with meth doesn't. Drug use by itself places no one in danger except the drug user.
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    Gosh, if violent cartels are so competitive in legal businesses, I wonder why they don't take over all legal business. From the sounds of it, being a violent cartel should lead to prosperity and success in any enterprise, and an ever expanding empire.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I think we should legalize hard drugs to remove the criminal element from drug distribution and pay for treatment with taxes. Who agrees with me?
    No, absolutely not. They are destructive even with moderate use.

    Decriminalization is more practical. Fine people for small possession but continue going after the cartels and dealers. The idea would be to free up the justice and penitentiary systems from being overloaded with small time offenders.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    I look at hard drugs the same way as I look at prescription medication. These substances are substantially more dangerous than "over the counter" drugs... in illegal drug-speak, to me, that would be alcohol and marijuana. The danger level associated with someone having free access to Xanax or morphine is significantly higher than someone having free access to aspirin. The former cause considerable more significant effects. This is the same as substances such as cocaine, heroin, or meth. Further, making these substances legal but only prescription-based also makes no sense, as the negative effects of the drugs FAR outweigh the positive effects, and there are other substances that perform the positive effects more efficiently and with fewer of the negatives.

    In my view, when it comes to these substances, the problems that would be caused by the legalization would FAR outweigh to positives.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In my view, when it comes to these substances, the problems that would be caused by the legalization would FAR outweigh to positives.
    Are you including the elimination of the black market in your list of positives?

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Are you including the elimination of the black market in your list of positives?
    Not really. In this case, the black market would be far less something eliminated. oxycodone and morphine are legal, though controlled, and the black market with them is still significant. Making these substances legal and free for use similar to alcohol is irresponsible and dangerous, and making them prescription released offers no benefits to current drugs on the market, and does not eliminate black market selling.
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    And even if the black market were eliminated, the negatives would still outweigh this positive.
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