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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Again, this costs a lot of money. The leaders of these cartels are intelligent businessmen. They can see that legitimate business in an open drug market is far more profitable than violence.
    How much do you think they are paying someone to put a bullet into someones head or to have someone beat up?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Again, this costs a lot of money. The leaders of these cartels are intelligent businessmen. They can see that legitimate business in an open drug market is far more profitable than violence.
    but still, if you legalise the drugs, what is going to stop the cartels resorting to illegal tactics to make a profit, like you said, they're intelligent business men, and if they're operating outside the US, they can get away with it.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Where in the US would we be able to grow coca plants, poppy plants and other plants needed for hard drugs in order to stay competitive with foreign sources?
    There are places like HI and other subtropical areas where they can be grown. Again, ideally this would be done in cooperation with several other countries.

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    What we do has no bearing on what other countries and what other countries do has no bearing on us. Just because we do something does not mean other will follow suit.

    Hence the cooperation part.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Cartels are criminal organizations. Even though they they criminal organization they are still businesses selling a product. Competition to them mess less profits.Since they are a criminal organization nothing is going to stop them from shooting the guy down the street selling the same product they are selling. Criminal organizations are businesses and most of the time operate like business but however will use illegal tactics for their advantage.
    They can't do much about it. Either adapt or they have no money to buy the resources to threaten them with.

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    You seem to have this dream that cartels will go legit if we legalize hard drugs.
    No, They will shrink significantly if not die off completely.

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    How are criminal enterprises expensive?
    Along with the normal costs of business one needs a steady string of replacemnts, weapons, bribe money, and enough resources to carry out a gang war. You don't think that they're using a lot of resources to fight the Mexican government down south?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they shoot their competition they will have more money.If they extort their competition they will have more money.
    If their competition undercuts them, no money, This is like saying that legitimate alcohol couldn't start up after Prohibition because the Bootleggers would threaten the legitimate businesses.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    but still, if you legalise the drugs, what is going to stop the cartels resorting to illegal tactics to make a profit, like you said, they're intelligent business men, and if they're operating outside the US, they can get away with it.
    And it would still cost a lot more money than doing it legally.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    BTW this has all been addressed ad nauseum in the "Should we Legalize Drugs for Mexico's Benefit" Thread. Please read through that 1st before responding here. I don't like repeating myself or others much.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    anyone happen to catch my posts? bottom of page 6

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    And it would still cost a lot more money than doing it legally.
    what makes it more profitable than illegaly?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Hand the stuff out for free to anybody dumb enough to use them. good way to thin the herd.
    Meth will learn em' a thing or two....
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Yes! Make it all legal, tax it and then have control over who can get it. Just like booze.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Exactly. Meth is the only reason i would be against 'legal hard drugs'. Meth has literally destroyed entire communities in my state. Meth is one helluva drug...
    In Hawaii, meth didn't show up (called ice here) until 'Operation Green Harvest' shut down almost all marijuana production. They succeeded in jacking up the price of pot, and also succeeded in making ice look like a good deal. Bad move. I think this is a standard pattern. If reasonable intoxicants are available for reasonable prices, almost everyone who wants to be high will use them. When a nasty drug is cheaper, people will use it. My guess is that legal drugs would REDUCE hard drug use, except for those already addicted to something... and they'll get it, whatever it takes.

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