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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Yes I think they would offset the costs, since we know every user would be paying taxes, but every user would not be seeking treatment.

    Throw in millions of pot smokers in there, and you have bunches of left over funds to educate our youth, delay (or even eliminate) age of first usage, and actually reduce the numbers of people who use and abuse these drugs.

    Costs of treatment vary, and Betty Ford would be on the high end, regardless that is a one time cost ideally, how does that pricetag stack up to the non drug using taxpayer shouldered cost of incarcerating someone for 5 years?
    How much would you need to tax a particular drug to offset the cost of rehab? Why should a pot smoker pay for the rehabilitation of a tweeker(meth addict) or a crack head when most people believe that smoking pot is not addictive? It would be the equivalent of taxing salad to combat obesity.


    PLus if recreational pot is legal then people will grow it in order to avoid taxes. A grow light. some fertilizer doesn't cost much money if you wanted to grow it traditionally. A grow light, five gallon bucket, aquarium pump, airhoses, grow rocks(lava rocks that look like a light colored cocoa puffs) and some hydroponic solutions are not that expensive. Are you going to charge a 500% tax on papers,pipes and blunt papers?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    How big is the alcohol black market? Sure it still exists, but it isn't nearly as big or dangerous as it was.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Why couldn't private companies just import the product themselves, or grow it in controlled environments?
    im sure they could, but it still wouldn't address the problem of the multi-billion dollar cartels, and how to stop them.

    Do you really think private industry and government couldn't compete with the black market? In what case has that ever been true?
    in what case has a particular black market being worth many billions of dollars, and what makes you think the cartels would simply roll over and let it happen, do you think they'd be above sabotaging government or private productions.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    I voted yes, but would add the qualification that it should be legal to hold an amount for personal use.
    Also I would prefer that if anyone was found to be in possession of amounts greater than the amounts decided for personal use, then that person should be automatically given the death sentence without possibility of appeal.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    im sure they could, but it still wouldn't address the problem of the multi-billion dollar cartels, and how to stop them.



    in what case has a particular black market being worth many billions of dollars, and what makes you think the cartels would simply roll over and let it happen, do you think they'd be above sabotaging government or private productions.
    Guns and beheadings are useless against the power of economics. Just as the end of Prohibition dealt a huge blow to bootleggers, legalization would deal a huge blow to cratels. Current drug laws and enforcement cause high costs and risk. The only ones who can compete are these giant cartels. In an open market others will undercut them. There will also be very little incentive to be violent. Black markets have no property rights, contract law, or courts. The only way to settle disputes is with violence. In an open market there are far easier ways to settle things.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    For the most part, no.

    I'd be fine with legalizing possession and use within one's own home. But sale, distribution, and use in public should stay illegal.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Guns and beheadings are useless against the power of economics. Just as the end of Prohibition dealt a huge blow to bootleggers, legalization would deal a huge blow to cratels. Current drug laws and enforcement cause high costs and risk. The only ones who can compete are these giant cartels. In an open market others will undercut them. There will also be very little incentive to be violent. Black markets have no property rights, contract law, or courts. The only way to settle disputes is with violence. In an open market there are far easier ways to settle things.
    so you're proposing, rather than a government run scheme, just give drug cartles legality?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Guns and beheadings are useless against the power of economics. Just as the end of Prohibition dealt a huge blow to bootleggers, legalization would deal a huge blow to cratels.
    If we grow our own opium, coca plants,sell our borders so their product can not come through and make all the drugs here it would cut off the cartels. Last I check the only ones who were making booze illegally during prohibition were in the US. Cartels do not operate mostly in the US.


    In an open market others will undercut them.

    There will also be very little incentive to be violent.
    That would depend on the country. In a country like Mexico a cartel could simply shoot the competition and or extort them into charging the same prices or giving them a cut.

    Black markets have no property rights, contract law, or courts. The only way to settle disputes is with violence. In an open market there are far easier ways to settle things.
    In the US that is true. You seem to have the crayola colored picture of everybody including the cartel holding hands and smiling with the words drugs legalized with backwards Es. Cartels are a business,the Mexican government is not going to crack down on them just because drugs are legalized nor are the cartels just going to sit idly by and allow competition in their areas because competition means less profit for them.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    A) Taxes raised on the sale of hard drugs paying for rehab of addicts

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    B) Taxes spent by non-users incarcerating addicts AND providing rehab

    I will choose A, thank you.

    The cost of legal drugs will still be cheaper than the black market. Some current cartel organizations will become legal distributors. Same as alcohol after prohibition.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    so you're proposing, rather than a government run scheme, just give drug cartles legality?
    Well kind of, but an open market isn't friendly to cartels. This has all been gone over on a recent thread. I don't feel like going over it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If we grow our own opium, coca plants,sell our borders so their product can not come through and make all the drugs here it would cut off the cartels. Last I check the only ones who were making booze illegally during prohibition were in the US. Cartels do not operate mostly in the US.
    With legalization, much of the supply chain could be done in the US. The ideal wold also be for other countries to do the same as us.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That would depend on the country. In a country like Mexico a cartel could simply shoot the competition and or extort them into charging the same prices or giving them a cut.
    Again, economics. Bloodshed is simply uneconomical in an open market. See above

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    In the US that is true. You seem to have the crayola colored picture of everybody including the cartel holding hands and smiling with the words drugs legalized with backwards Es. Cartels are a business,the Mexican government is not going to crack down on them just because drugs are legalized nor are the cartels just going to sit idly by and allow competition in their areas because competition means less profit for them.
    Who said anythng about being nice or cracking down? This is simple business reality. Criminal empires are an expensive enterpirse. If they can do it more cheaply they will or they won't have any money to threaten anyone.
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