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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    ...Huh!?

    I wasn't making a point, I was asking you a question. Why do you want to incarcerate someone that never even hurt a hair on your head? What's your reason?
    All the people in prison have never harmed me or my family, should we let all those people go?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    legalising them wont stop the illegal production, having them legal means that they will be taxed, and people will go to the black market to get a cheaper fix, it won't change a damn thing.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    All the people in prison have never harmed me or my family, should we let all those people go?
    You're completely missing the point here.

    Assume the drug-user never hurt anyone. They just got high and walked to the park or something. Why should they be thrown in prison?

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    legalising them wont stop the illegal production, having them legal means that they will be taxed, and people will go to the black market to get a cheaper fix, it won't change a damn thing.
    Then why isn't this true of cigarettes and alcohol?

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You think crack heads, tweekers and other junkies are going to be able to buy enough drugs so that there is enough taxes collected to pay for that without other tax payers footing the bill?

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    Yes I think they would offset the costs, since we know every user would be paying taxes, but every user would not be seeking treatment.

    Throw in millions of pot smokers in there, and you have bunches of left over funds to educate our youth, delay (or even eliminate) age of first usage, and actually reduce the numbers of people who use and abuse these drugs.

    Costs of treatment vary, and Betty Ford would be on the high end, regardless that is a one time cost ideally, how does that pricetag stack up to the non drug using taxpayer shouldered cost of incarcerating someone for 5 years?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Then why isn't this true of cigarettes and alcohol?
    because they have never had a stong illegal import base in a foreign country, you make the drugs like cocaine legal, you'll still have to stop the imports from south america, or people'll buy them instead of the government produced stuff, simply because it'll be alot cheaper and the supply chains are already in place, the distribution method is in place, and they have a large client base that wont readily pay a heap more for drugs they already can get.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    legalising them wont stop the illegal production, having them legal means that they will be taxed, and people will go to the black market to get a cheaper fix, it won't change a damn thing.
    why buy an illegal, more expensive product of unknown purity when a superior product of know quality was available legally and cheaper?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    because they have never had a stong illegal import base in a foreign country, you make the drugs like cocaine legal, you'll still have to stop the imports from south america, or people'll buy them instead of the government produced stuff, simply because it'll be alot cheaper and the supply chains are already in place, the distribution method is in place, and they have a large client base that wont readily pay a heap more for drugs they already can get.
    Why couldn't private companies just import the product themselves, or grow it in controlled environments? Do you really think private industry and government couldn't compete with the black market? In what case has that ever been true?

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    why buy an illegal, more expensive product of unknown purity when a superior product of know quality was available legally and cheaper?
    how could it possibly be cheaper, and still fund all these rehabilitation centres, if its government produced, then the cost of production, packaging, distribution etc. will have to be in the cost, and it will only be limited to inside the USA, whereas drug cartels in south america dont have to use proper production, distribution, packaging etc. and they can export to anywhere in the world, and they have the capacity to lower prices where the government does not, they have to keep it profitable, plus the price of the tax to fund these centres, the cartels just have to keep it profitable, and there production costs would be alot lower.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    You're completely missing the point here.
    I thought your point was they didn't hurt me so why should I care.


    Assume the drug-user never hurt anyone.
    They just got high and walked to the park or something.
    That depends on the drug,who it is profiting from it, how it was made and how it got here(unless hard drugs are legalized everywhere). Some pothead smoking some locally grown weed probably has not harmed anyone nor has he contributed to anyone being harmed.Coke/crack and certain others drugs that have to be imported you most likely contributed to someone being harmed or killed or funding some terrorist organization,cartel or gang.

    Why should they be thrown in prison?
    Depending on the drug it would be no different than knowingly buying stolen property or aiding a criminal and for that you should be punished.
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