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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We could end all crime if we made murder, rape,theft,child porn, statutory rape, arson, drunk driving and many other things legal, there would be no crime.
    All these crimes are crimes against another person. Simply ingesting drugs is not. The distinction is an important one.

    I would rather that my tax dollars be used to incarcerate their ass...
    Why do you want to imprison someone who never even bothered you? What's the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    Drug treatment is not the responsibility of the tax payers.
    Agreed on that point. I didn't notice in the initial post that paying for treatment was part of the deal. As far as I'm concerned, do your drugs, but when you become an addict, then pay the price, whichever price you decide to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not advocate legalizing any drugs currently illegal, certainly not hard drugs. I don't really care much one way or another about marijuana, but I think legalizing harder drugs would be detrimental to society. I think the social and legal stigma associated with those drugs is a good thing.
    The legal stigma just puts people in prison instead of into rehabilitation, then when they get out they have even less reason to kick the habit, because now their situation is completely hopeless.

    If someone is of a mind to use hard drugs, the "legal stigma" is not swaying their choice
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    All these crimes are crimes against another person. Simply ingesting drugs is not. The distinction is an important one.
    It is not a matter of simply ingesting drugs.As the op suggested we should use that money to pay for their treatments. Also if these people get hooked on hard core drugs I may have to support their family through welfare payments and foodstamps, section 8 housing because they decided that getting high or tweeking was more important than taking care of their family.

    Why do you want to imprison someone who never even bothered you? What's the point?
    You want to me shell out cash to someone I do not know so they can get treatment. If I got to be shelling out cash I do not want to do it for their enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Agreed on that point. I didn't notice in the initial post that paying for treatment was part of the deal. As far as I'm concerned, do your drugs, but when you become an addict, then pay the price, whichever price you decide to pay.
    And you both fail to pick up on one crucial aspect. what we have currently is a monstrosity of a drug problem whose cost is completely shouldered by the tax payer.

    If it were legalized and taxed, then if you do not want to pay taxes for the problem, then you have a choice.. simply do not use and you are not paying taxes for the problem.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is not a matter of simply ingesting drugs.As the op suggested we should use that money to pay for their treatments. Also if these people get hooked on hard core drugs I may have to support their family through welfare payments and foodstamps, section 8 housing because they decided that getting high or tweeking was more important than taking care of their family.
    Well, I'm making a different argument, that is, permit state and local governments to oversee social policies not specifically enumerated in the Constitution; education, healthcare, welfare, drugs, prostitution, etc. Eventually, the places with the best regulatory frameworks will emerge as a social model for success, whereas the ones with poor regulatory frameworks will simply fail and be replaced.

    You want to me shell out cash to someone I do not know so they can get treatment. If I got to be shelling out cash I do not want to do it for their enjoyment.
    I never said I wanted you to pay for anything. I'm just asking why you feel the need to imprison some guy because he felt like getting high. He's not hurting you.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post

    If it were legalized and taxed, then if you do not want to pay taxes for the problem, then you have a choice.. simply do not use and you are not paying taxes for the problem.
    It's hard to say. I doubt the tax receipts paid by the users would be enough to fund treatment. It's something that really can't be determined in a make-believe scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    And you both fail to pick up on one crucial aspect. what we have currently is a monstrosity of a drug problem whose cost is completely shouldered by the tax payer.

    If it were legalized and taxed, then if you do not want to pay taxes for the problem, then you have a choice.. simply do not use and you are not paying taxes for the problem.
    You think crack heads, tweekers and other junkies are going to be able to buy enough drugs so that there is enough taxes collected to pay for that without other tax payers footing the bill?

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post


    I never said I wanted you to pay for anything. I'm just asking why you feel the need to imprison some guy because he felt like getting high. He's not hurting you.
    Everyone is prison has not hurt me so you do not have a valid point.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Everyone is prison has not hurt me so you do not have a valid point.
    ...Huh!?

    I wasn't making a point, I was asking you a question. Why do you want to incarcerate someone that never even hurt a hair on your head? What's your reason?

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