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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I disagree. I think we would see a substantial increase. There are 3 types of people: 1) those that will use regardless; 2) those that won't use regardless; 3) those whose use will be significantly based on the drug's legality. The potential for criminality is a deterrent for these people. Without that, ateadt some will use, and with the highly addictive qualities of these substances, one will find a significant increase. Folks don't use meth "every once in a while".
    It seems obvious that you do NOT support legalization of "hard drugs".
    Given that, what changes/improvements, if any, would you apply to the current law enforcement methods in use against the illegal production, transport, sale, and usage of such?

    Or are the current methods on target, and simply need tweaking?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I think we should legalize hard drugs to remove the criminal element from drug distribution and pay for treatment with taxes. Who agrees with me?
    My intuitive impulse is in favor of legalization of all drugs, but you have to realize that what you’ve advanced isn’t a very economically detailed idea. You probably realize that the negative externalities associated with high rates of hard drug usage are severe (and they could potentially end up being more coercive and authoritarian than the prohibition of drugs), but perhaps you believe that your Pigovian solution of sin taxing legalized products will cut consumer demand. That would work fine with, say, firearms. But as hard drugs are physically and psychologically addictive substances, they’d be highly inelastic goods. First-year micro students typically laugh when they hear that cigarettes are technically classified as “necessities” because of their low elasticity, but it’s a testament to the addictive nature of nicotine.

    With the negative externalities imposed by widespread smoking already violating the libertarian non-aggression principle, legalization of hard drugs isn’t necessarily the straightforward libertarian idea you might think it to be.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Questions for those who support the legalization of "Hard Drugs".

    What type of restrictions/rules would those legally permitted to produce/transport/sell such be under?

    Would there be quality standards?

    Transportation security standards?

    Could they be held legally liable, like bars, if one of their customers wrecked while driving home under the influence of one of these drugs?

    What about advertizing?

    Would there be restrictions on advertizing drugs to minors, like cigarettes companies currently are held to?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Questions for those who support the legalization of "Hard Drugs".

    What type of restrictions/rules would those legally permitted to produce/transport/sell such be under?

    Would there be quality standards?

    Transportation security standards?

    Could they be held legally liable, like bars, if one of their customers wrecked while driving home under the influence of one of these drugs?

    What about advertizing?

    Would there be restrictions on advertizing drugs to minors, like cigarettes companies currently are held to?
    I can't answer these questions because I do not favor a single standard for everyone. I believe state and local governments should regulate drugs in a manner that best suites their specific needs. Eventually, the places with the most effective regulatory frameworks would thrive and serve as an example of how to properly regulate drugs. I don't see why anyone would object to this.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Do we have any proof for this, or is proof even possible?
    At one time, all of the drugs were legal, then along came a problem. The response was to make drugs illegal.
    Did this work?
    Proof really isn't possible in this circumstance. One can presume this logically because of the addictive qualities of these drugs. Heroin, for example, triggers certain parts of the brain that other drugs either do not, or do so in a far lesser capacity. Therefore, logically, we know that as these substances are more addictive, their use increases when the amount of people use them. These drugs are not like alcohol, which can be used recreationally, and without concern for addiction, at least in some.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    My intuitive impulse is in favor of legalization of all drugs, but you have to realize that what you’ve advanced isn’t a very economically detailed idea. You probably realize that the negative externalities associated with high rates of hard drug usage are severe (and they could potentially end up being more coercive and authoritarian than the prohibition of drugs), but perhaps you believe that your Pigovian solution of sin taxing legalized products will cut consumer demand. That would work fine with, say, firearms. But as hard drugs are physically and psychologically addictive substances, they’d be highly inelastic goods. First-year micro students typically laugh when they hear that cigarettes are technically classified as “necessities” because of their low elasticity, but it’s a testament to the addictive nature of nicotine.

    With the negative externalities imposed by widespread smoking already violating the libertarian non-aggression principle, legalization of hard drugs isn’t necessarily the straightforward libertarian idea you might think it to be.
    "externalities" ... "more coercive and authoritarian" ... "your Pigovian solution" ... "the libertarian non-aggression principle" ...

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I disagree. I think we would see a substantial increase. There are 3 types of people: 1) those that will use regardless; 2) those that won't use regardless; 3) those whose use will be significantly based on the drug's legality. The potential for criminality is a deterent for these people. Without that, ateadt some will use, and with the highly addictive qualities of these substances, one will find a significant increase. Folks don't use meth "every once in a while".
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Spain or Portugal decriminalize drug use? Have they seen significant increases in usage?

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It seems obvious that you do NOT support legalization of "hard drugs".
    Given that, what changes/improvements, if any, would you apply to the current law enforcement methods in use against the illegal production, transport, sale, and usage of such?

    Or are the current methods on target, and simply need tweaking?
    I don't have too much of a problem with the current law enforcement methods, though there are two changes that I would like to see. Firstly, if marijuana is legalized, some of the monies saved from addressing this substance can be moved to others. Secondly, I would like to see the focus be more on treatment then criminalization for those who are solely users.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Questions for those who support the legalization of "Hard Drugs".

    What type of restrictions/rules would those legally permitted to produce/transport/sell such be under?
    A license and some sort of verification that the amount received equals the amount dispersed.

    Would there be quality standards?
    There could be like the food industry or drug industry.

    Transportation security standards?
    Other than anonymity, no.

    Could they be held legally liable, like bars, if one of their customers wrecked while driving home under the influence of one of these drugs?
    No, they are selling like an ANC store, not using on premises like a bar.

    What about advertizing?
    No ads.

    Would there be restrictions on advertizing drugs to minors, like cigarettes companies currently are held to?
    No ads.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Spain or Portugal decriminalize drug use? Have they seen significant increases in usage?
    There was a decrease in hard drug usage in Portugal, who decriminalized everything. Drug Decriminalization in Portugal: Lessons for Creating Fair and Successful Drug Policies | Glenn Greenwald | Cato Institute: White Paper

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