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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    or look at it this way, person you've been buying off for year $40, bloke at gas station $140, 'cause he has to factor in all sorts of things.
    There will be no 100 dollar swing. In fact, because you have have actual companies then growing the raw product it will become cheaper as now they don't have to smuggle things into the US. It can be shipped. Processing and refining can occur in companies in America. In the end, you're cutting out a huge, volatile, and violent cartel groups from the picture and replacing them with companies and wall street. They'll find the market efficiencies in relatively little time.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Hand the stuff out for free to anybody dumb enough to use them. good way to thin the herd.
    Hah! I love your logic.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    how do you propose to make the cartels go along with this?

    like i've said, if you go directly to the growers, the cartels aren't above threatening them with violent reprisals for selling to americans, if you produce it wholly in america, the cost would be great that the cartels could simply undercut the governments price.
    I am not going to ask the cartels if it is ok. I'll just do it and the cartels willl lose their revenue stream.

    I could see that cartels may try to threaten growers. That will pass.

    I do not think the legal price would be above the black market price.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think there are a lot of serious consequences which can come with the legalization of hard drugs. Especially if you start allowing the pharmaceutical companies and wall street in on it. Designer drugs can be made which can be nearly instantly addicting.
    That is a scary concept.

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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder how many people who are for legalizing hard drugs have ever had an addict in their family that they themselves have had to deal with.
    Yes, people VERY close to me, I have lost a cousin to heroin, and also seen my ex fiance become a shadow of her former self who to this day has not got the treatment she needs, and instead has lost all hope for the future and her life due to being treated as a criminal.

    These events are pivotal events that had led to my exploring, and eventually accepting, and becoming strongly supportive of the legalization of drugs, one would have never been killed, and the other would have been able to get the treatment she needs, and have a future if it were not for this "War on Drugs"
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So HI is going to grow enough coca,poppies and other plants to support the hard drug demand in our country?
    You do know that there are huge tracts of Poppies growing legally in countries such as India already with ZERO black market involvement.. is it that hard to imagine cartels being separated from the rearing of drug producing crops when this already occurs on a large scale?
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Yes, people VERY close to me, I have lost a cousin to heroin, and also seen my ex fiance become a shadow of her former self who to this day has not got the treatment she needs, and instead has lost all hope for the future and her life due to being treated as a criminal.

    These events are pivotal events that had led to my exploring, and eventually accepting, and becoming strongly supportive of the legalization of drugs, one would have never been killed, and the other would have been able to get the treatment she needs, and have a future if it were not for this "War on Drugs"
    Cry us all a river - how many of these people have you had to take care of? It is one thing to see somebody be on drugs, it is another to deal with a drug addict.

    The fact that drug addicts are treated as 'criminals' would change how with the legalization of hard drugs? Do you think junkies would no longer exist if there wasn't a 'war on drugs'? Do you think most people would stop seeing your ex fiancee for what she is? A dirty junkie who would rather get high every day than deal with life?

    The answer to these questions is a resounding 'no'. Drugs are not associated with filth, crime and social decay for no reason. It is because they usually all go hand in hand.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    I'm on record as no here, because I think the options were a little too limited. My explanation, Marijuana should be legalized for all legal adults, and the ages of legal adulthood should all be set at one uniform standard, I personally like 18 because citizens can serve in the military, vote, and enter into legal contracts at that age, so this to me is the definition of adulthood. For harder drugs, meth/crack/PCP should remain illegal as it seems empirically that they permanently change behavioral patterns in users and personality within a short period of usage. For drugs such as heroine, cocaine, LSD, etc. I think that those physicians who already treat these addictions could be allowed to open clinics and charge market price plus reasonable markup for profit, this would bring the values down on the hard drugs and the secondary crimes should go down as these things would be more affordable, as well, the person consuming would not be allowed to leave the clinical setting until cleared by the physician to ensure public safety.

    The clinic would be able to provide whatever entertainment they see fit, and could charge per use, weekly, monthy, or however else they see fit. As well, develop quicker field evidence standards and enforce all intoxicated operation of machinery as OWI, and end the "war on drugs". I think many drug related problems would evaporate at that point.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Cry us all a river - how many of these people have you had to take care of? It is one thing to see somebody be on drugs, it is another to deal with a drug addict.

    The fact that drug addicts are treated as 'criminals' would change how with the legalization of hard drugs? Do you think junkies would no longer exist if there wasn't a 'war on drugs'? Do you think most people would stop seeing your ex fiancee for what she is? A dirty junkie who would rather get high every day than deal with life?

    The answer to these questions is a resounding 'no'. Drugs are not associated with filth, crime and social decay for no reason. It is because they usually all go hand in hand.
    Fist off I will take the ding here.. **** you.

    this is deeply personal, and this is why I am reluctant to share my motivations.

    Now.. I never claimed the junkies would never exist.. however, if we separate the drug problem from the criminal problem we can deal with it much more effectively. Our current policy aggravates these issues, it does nothing to treat them. A casual user with a career and a future goes in on a minor possession rap, she comes out with no hope, and no future and is depressed, and a potential drug addiction now has rocket fuel.

    I will get back to responding here.. If we were face to face you would have gotten punched in the face.. and actually i am off to go punch something now.

    I should have never responded to your question, and for the record.. yu will never get one ounce of respect from me.
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    Re: Legalize Hard Drugs?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Now.. I never claimed the junkies would never exist.. however, if we separate the drug problem from the criminal problem we can deal with it much more effectively. Our current policy aggravates these issues, it does nothing to treat them. A casual user with a career and a future goes in on a minor possession rap, she comes out with no hope, and no future and is depressed, and a potential drug addiction now has rocket fuel.
    I completely agree with this. Drug addicts on the fence tend to feel trapped in the stigma with no options, if we take the stigma away and the prosecutorial threat, then addicts may feel more apt to seek treatment when they are tired of being a slave to the addiction. As well, I think if we facilitate a safe environment and a fair market price for these substances we take the desperation out of the addiction and would actually see a drastic reduction in secondary violence associated with the drug issue.
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