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    Would you rather....

    Would you rather people be forced to pay for the costs they incur or you be forced to pay for those who refuse to cover their own costs?
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Push poll is pushy.

    OC, if you're so against paying other people's health care costs, I assume you are against the subsidies in the health care bill? Not to mention the public option/single payer?

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    Re: Would you rather....

    Hmmm... what could this thread be about. Could it be health care?
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm... what could this thread be about. Could it be health care?
    Pssh, it's about formula 1 race cars, come in to the 21st century.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Push poll is pushy.
    Describe were the poll is wrong. Either we allow people not to partake and therefore be forced to pay for their costs, or we force them to pay for their costs. There is no middle ground here.

    OC, if you're so against paying other people's health care costs, I assume you are against the subsidies in the health care bill?
    To a degree yes. However, at least the subsidies get people on board into the system.

    Not to mention the public option/single payer?
    A single payer is not inherently a bad idea. Single payer isn't related to my concern here about people not paying for their costs. As for a public option, I don't like it from that position, but I see it could be rather useful in forcing insurance to actually compete. You know, actually spend more money rather then funnel profits into investments that are unrelated to their actual practice? There's a reason on the cash flow statement of many insurance providers, there's a big inflow and outflow in investing activities. Insurance profits are much higher when you account for money they are using to buy securities.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm... what could this thread be about. Could it be health care?
    Indeed. If you can't figure that out, god help you.

    What I don't get is this notion that people think there is a middle ground.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pssh, it's about formula 1 race cars, come in to the 21st century.
    I wouldn't know about such things. I live in the 24th Century. I'm just visiting, here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Indeed. If you can't figure that out, god help you.

    What I don't get is this notion that people think there is a middle ground.
    As with many polls that try to attack an issue as complex as this one, yours creates a false dichotomy. The problem is in the word "refuse". Why did you choose that word rather than the word "don't" or "can't"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As with many polls that try to attack an issue as complex as this one, yours creates a false dichotomy. The problem is in the word "refuse". Why did you choose that word rather than the word "don't" or "can't"?
    I don't see how this particular part is complex. We either force people to cover their costs or we pay for those who won't. From a personal responsibility angle, it is wrong to force those who will to cover the costs of those who won't while absolving those who won't of any responsibility.

    As for those who can't, the rest of us are going to be paying for them either way, therefore they are quite irrelevant.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Describe were the poll is wrong. Either we allow people not to partake and therefore be forced to pay for their costs, or we force them to pay for their costs. There is no middle ground here.
    There's lots of middle ground. Not too long ago nobody had insurance; everyone payed out of their own pockets. That's really the only way to make sure that absolutely everyone pays for their own health care costs, because the very nature of insurance is paying for other people's costs - risk sharing. Even if there were no uninsured people at all, there would still be those who don't need very much health care paying for the costs of those who do via premiums (especially if insurers are forced to cover those with pre-existing conditions).

    To a degree yes. However, at least the subsidies get people on board into the system.

    A single payer is not inherently a bad idea. Single payer isn't related to my concern here about people not paying for their costs. As for a public option, I don't like it from that position, but I see it could be rather useful in forcing insurance to actually compete. You know, actually spend more money rather then funnel profits into investments that are unrelated to their actual practice? There's a reason on the cash flow statement of many insurance providers, there's a big inflow and outflow in investing activities. Insurance profits are much higher when you account for money they are using to buy securities.
    I remember when the whole the-insured-pay-for-the-costs-of-the-uninsured thing was brought into being as an issue, and quickly ceased to be one, and I think that this is exactly why. It looks mighty hypocritical to say that people should have to pay for their own health care, and then support premiums and a public option and a single payer system.

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