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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    There's lots of middle ground. Not too long ago nobody had insurance; everyone payed out of their own pockets.
    And that was when health care costs didn't bankrupt people in one swoop. Not exactly a valid comparison.

    That's really the only way to make sure that absolutely everyone pays for their own health care costs, because the very nature of insurance is paying for other people's costs - risk sharing. Even if there were no uninsured people at all, there would still be those who don't need very much health care paying for the costs of those who do via premiums (especially if insurers are forced to cover those with pre-existing conditions).
    Except that you are discussing a period in which average health care didn't eat entire pay checks at once. Essentially you comparing apples with oranges. Back in Roman times.....

    I remember when the whole the-insured-pay-for-the-costs-of-the-uninsured thing was brought into being as an issue, and quickly ceased to be one, and I think that this is exactly why. It looks mighty hypocritical to say that people should have to pay for their own health care, and then support premiums and a public option and a single payer system.
    Come again? A public option would be hypocritical. However, a single payer system doesn't logically fit your argument. Just because a single payer pays doesn't equate to people not covering their costs.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that you are discussing a period in which average health care didn't eat entire pay checks at once. Essentially you comparing apples with oranges. Back in Roman times.....
    And I realize that. Are you going to address my actual point now?

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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote by Obvious Child(Insurance profits are much higher when you account for money they are using to buy securities.)


    Presumably not American treasury security's eh?

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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    And I realize that. Are you going to address my actual point now?
    What point?

    Your point that in times inapplicable to now people could pay for their costs?

    What kind of point is that?

    Okay, back in Greece....

    Your post is irrelevant.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Presumably not American treasury security's eh?
    Hard to say. Not exactly a lot of disclosure required in 10ks about cash flow from investing. I'd presume some of it was Government debt.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What point?

    Your point that in times inapplicable to now people could pay for their costs?

    What kind of point is that?

    Okay, back in Greece....

    Your post is irrelevant.
    You missed my point, which is that as long as insurance exists (and I'm not saying that it shouldn't exist), people are going to pay for other people's health care costs. This is what insurance is. So saying that mandating people to buy insurance is the only way to stop people from paying for the health care costs of others is false. Even if such a mandate existed, insured people who need little health care will be paying for the health care of insured people who need more. In fact, forcing people to buy insurance will create an even greater amount of paying for the health care of others, since healthy people who chose not to have insurance will be forced to have insurance to pay for the health care of those who need it more badly.

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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I wouldn't know about such things. I live in the 24th Century. I'm just visiting, here.
    Oh let the sun beat down upon my face
    With stars to fill my dream.
    I am a traveler of both time and space
    To be where I have been.



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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    From a personal responsibility angle, it is wrong to force those who will to cover the costs of those who won't while absolving those who won't of any responsibility.
    Hell, we've been doing that for around 40-50 years now. It's certainly not a new concept in this country. I agree with what you're saying, but welfare is a cornerstone of our society these days.
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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Hell, we've been doing that for around 40-50 years now. It's certainly not a new concept in this country. I agree with what you're saying, but welfare is a cornerstone of our society these days.
    FDR and his administration did a really good job in long term planning--they started a system that was a self generating creator of dem voters--dependent entitlement addicted minions who, due to dem imposed laws-breed much faster than people who wait until they have stabilized their careers before having children.



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    Re: Would you rather....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Would you rather people be forced to pay for the costs they incur or you be forced to pay for those who refuse to cover their own costs?
    Wonder what evil deed my brother did that caused his pre-teen daughter to become diabetic. Should he be forced to struggle with her medical bills all the rest of his life while insurance company execs get million dollar bonuses for not covering her? Sorry, that's just not American to me.

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