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Which issue is the most important to you?

Which issue is the most important to you?

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reefedjib said:
YAY!!! :2party:



Wait til it hits $20 Trillion, then we'll have a party!
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If you add in unfunded internal obligations, we are already light years past that point.

It's pretty freaking insane.

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Maybe Congress needs to institute a rule for bills like what the British Parliament has: that the contents of the bill can only deal with things relating to the title of the bill. That way, we don't have spending for the military added to agricultural subsidy bills. That would go a LONG way to curbing government spending.
 
The destruction of our constitutional checks on the federal government and the creeping crud of welfare socialism and class warfare permeated by the leftwing traitors and criminals
 
digsbe said:
Just as the title says. Which issue is the most important for you? Abortion and homosexual rights apply to people of either side (pro-life, pro-choice, pro homosexual marriage, against homosexual marriage). The same goes for the war (for or against).
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I'm confident that it's of no surprise to anyone that I would chuz the abortion issue as the one I view as being 'most important.'

But if there's any question as to 'why' I feel the abortion issue is most important,... it's really very simple.

Without the right that a person has to their life, due process and the equal protection of our laws,.... none of the other issues really mean anything.
 
samsmart said:
Maybe Congress needs to institute a rule for bills like what the British Parliament has: that the contents of the bill can only deal with things relating to the title of the bill. That way, we don't have spending for the military added to agricultural subsidy bills. That would go a LONG way to curbing government spending.
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I'd like a single issue bill rule.
 
TurtleDude said:
The destruction of our constitutional checks on the federal government and the creeping crud of welfare socialism and class warfare permeated by the leftwing traitors and criminals
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Until the people have some sort of ability for popular ballots for federal laws, the people have no checks against those who seek to use the government for abuse, both those on the Left and on the Right.
 
samsmart said:
Until the people have some sort of ability for popular ballots for federal laws, the people have no checks against those who seek to use the government for abuse, both those on the Left and on the Right.
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well that is not entirely true but the way of retaliating is rather extreme and probably the response would be fatal.

what we need (wish or a prayer?) are judges who actually respect the tenth amendment and have no problem striking down stuff that is "popular" if it is not constitutional.
 
I'm concerned with all those, but my chief issue is that the size, scope, expense and intrusiveness of government at all levels needs to be reduced, most especially the Federal level.

Roughly a third of the money the Fedgov is spending doesn't actually exist; it is debt. Does that not tell you that the Fed has gotten WAY too big?

Not simply economics, but they stick their nose into way too much, and there's too much bureaucracy, and too many infringments on our rights.

That's #1 for me.
 
reefedjib said:
The BIG one is the debt and deficit. We are adding trillions a year to the debt. We are spending way too much and a lot of that comes in entitlements. We have to do something about it and it will not be easy. Healthcare just adds to the problem.
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Exactly. Our debt and deficits are growing at a higher rate than income in the form of taxes. This cannot go on indefinitely, and I suspect will eventually be our downfall. The other problems can be fixed, but debt/deficit problem can't be fixed without making severe cuts where the general population just can't accept on an emotional level.
 
TurtleDude said:
well that is not entirely true but the way of retaliating is rather extreme and probably the response would be fatal.

what we need (wish or a prayer?) are judges who actually respect the tenth amendment and have no problem striking down stuff that is "popular" if it is not constitutional.
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But what you don't realize is that judges are part of the government system, and thus are insulated from the wishes of the people. Until the U.S. has a system where the will of the people can be exercised in federal law, politicians of each branch, the executive, legislative, and judicial, can override that popular political will.
 
lizzie said:
Exactly. Our debt and deficits are growing at a higher rate than income in the form of taxes. This cannot go on indefinitely, and I suspect will eventually be our downfall. The other problems can be fixed, but debt/deficit problem can't be fixed without making severe cuts where the general population just can't accept on an emotional level.
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Oh it can be fixed quickly but no one here will like it one bit and that's without the severe cuts.
 
samsmart said:
But what you don't realize is that judges are part of the government system, and thus are insulated from the wishes of the people. Until the U.S. has a system where the will of the people can be exercised in federal law, politicians of each branch, the executive, legislative, and judicial, can override that popular political will.
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sadly the dems are using the wealth of the hardest working and most industrious americans to addict the majority of the voters into being entitlement junkies easily manipulated by the promise that if they just vote for dems, all they want will be paid for by others.

I would love a system where you got an additional vote for every additional 5000 dollars in taxes you pay. that would put an end to the pandering to the lowest common denominator by promising tax hikes on the producers
 
TurtleDude said:
sadly the dems are using the wealth of the hardest working and most industrious americans to addict the majority of the voters into being entitlement junkies easily manipulated by the promise that if they just vote for dems, all they want will be paid for by others.

I would love a system where you got an additional vote for every additional 5000 dollars in taxes you pay. that would put an end to the pandering to the lowest common denominator by promising tax hikes on the producers
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In the beginning, only white males who owned property could vote, so there is precedence for limiting who can and can not vote. Perhaps it is time to limit it to people who actually paid income taxes, instead of simply basing in on age.

I imagine such a plan would be met with howls of derision, however, don't you?
 
Dittohead not! said:
In the beginning, only white males who owned property could vote, so there is precedence for limiting who can and can not vote. Perhaps it is time to limit it to people who actually paid income taxes, instead of simply basing in on age.

I imagine such a plan would be met with howls of derision, however, don't you?
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yeah, mostly by the parasites who think that living on welfare entitles them the same say about tax rates as someone who pays for their existence.

IT is an abomination that 4 deadbeats can vote away the wealth without restriction of a hard working industrious individual
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah, mostly by the parasites who think that living on welfare entitles them the same say about tax rates as someone who pays for their existence.

IT is an abomination that 4 deadbeats can vote away the wealth without restriction of a hard working industrious individual
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The mitigating factor is that a lot of those deadbeats simply don't find the time or energy to make it to the polls anyway, nor do they have a clue as to what the issues are that they're voting on.
 
TurtleDude said:
sadly the dems are using the wealth of the hardest working and most industrious americans to addict the majority of the voters into being entitlement junkies easily manipulated by the promise that if they just vote for dems, all they want will be paid for by others.

I would love a system where you got an additional vote for every additional 5000 dollars in taxes you pay. that would put an end to the pandering to the lowest common denominator by promising tax hikes on the producers
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Well, you're forgetting the corporate welfare that politicians on the Right perform with their no-bid contracts and wasteful spending on defense contractors and military spending. These government contractors rely greatly on the Pentagon and Congress to keep them afloat. I think the military-industrial-congressional complex is just as corrupt as welfare entitlements. Until more conservatives get onto their politicians about corporate welfare, I don't see them as any different as politicians who endorse social welfare.
 
Other- Upholding the constitution and restoring it's standing in U.S. law. If we did that all other issues would fall into place.
 
Dittohead not! said:
In the beginning, only white males who owned property could vote, so there is precedence for limiting who can and can not vote. Perhaps it is time to limit it to people who actually paid income taxes, instead of simply basing in on age.

I imagine such a plan would be met with howls of derision, however, don't you?
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As long as people who actually paid income taxes have to follow the laws whoever they vote into office write, you get no resistance from me.

Actually, this is a horrible idea, since people could raise the amount of income taxes needed to be paid to be a citizen, and therefore cut out the voting rights of more and more of the population until a few hold all the legal power to impose their tyranny on the larger population. I don't think our Founding Fathers would support that at all.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The mitigating factor is that a lot of those deadbeats simply don't find the time or energy to make it to the polls anyway, nor do they have a clue as to what the issues are that they're voting on.
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sadly the pied piper of nairobi seemed to play a tune that called all the rats to the polls in 2008
 
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