View Poll Results: Which issue is the most important to you?

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  • Abortion

    1 2.56%
  • Homosexual rights

    1 2.56%
  • The War on Terror (all fronts)

    4 10.26%
  • Economy/Jobs

    19 48.72%
  • The National Debt

    7 17.95%
  • Other (please state)

    7 17.95%
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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well now, 10 years ago we were pretty close to balanced...
    The yearly budget was but not total debt, we have to calculate both external and internal debt.
    We've had a national debt ever since Andrew Jackson but it has accelerated in the past 20 years.

    Edit: I should say 30 years, I forget that it's not 2000 anymore.
    Last edited by Harry Guerrilla; 04-02-10 at 08:51 PM.
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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wouldn't it be more effective for third parties to actually attract voters?
    Well, here's what happens with regards to third-parties in our two-party system.

    Usually, third-parties form around a few issues. For instance, the Libertarian Party is centered around deregulation while the Green Party is centered around environmentalism. Once such an issue becomes a major issue, one of the two major parties takes up that cause to nab those voters, while the other major party becomes opposed to that cause just to nab those voters who are against it. In this way, the two parties hope to prevent spoiler votes and keep as many voters in their party as they can.

    Whether or not either of those parties actually do anything on those issues is irrelevant, as the platforms of the two parties become so bloated that very little can get done by the government.

    It's also why we have libertarians and Christian dominionists in the Republican Party despite their differences and labor unions and socially liberal business owners in the Democratic Party despite their differences. The two parties are not really two parties but rather a collection of factions that have vaguely unified in order to prevent spoilers because of our plurality voting system.

    The only problem with this is that we never know which faction is in power in either of the two major parties. A libertarian GOP is going to vote differently than a neoconservative.

    Which is why I'd prefer we use IRV to allow formal third-party candidates to get voted into office. Instead of having two broad parties made up of factions, why not just allow the factions to become parties and let them get voted into office through the use of IRV? That way, the people has a pretty good stance on the political atmosphere of how government will operate. It will also allow Congress to form coalitions on certain issues. It will also lead to compromise candidates which will allow more moderation in politics, rather than the duality political pendulum we have now.

    So that's my answer - third parties can't attract voters because the two major parties always steal their positions on issues.

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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I should say 30 years, I forget that it's not 2000 anymore.
    Yeah, I do that all the time. It's no wonder, this decade has been so crappy I think our memories blur it out as a defense mechanism.

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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yeah, I do that all the time. It's no wonder, this decade has been so crappy I think our memories blur it out as a defense mechanism.
    I grew up in the 90's, which were awesome.
    i think my brain isn't wanting to let go of it.
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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Both our long term and short term is directly related upon our budget and our national debt.
    You can't effectively improve anything long term without addressing those 2 things first.
    That's why I voted for the National Debt. Why didn't you? I am feeling all alone...

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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That's why I voted for the National Debt. Why didn't you? I am feeling all alone...
    I think entitlements need to be reigned in as well.
    It's really getting out of hand.
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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think entitlements need to be reigned in as well.
    It's really getting out of hand.
    Yeah, I extended the Debt choice to include the deficit and pointed to the entitlements. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058660247

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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Yeah, I extended the Debt choice to include the deficit and pointed to the entitlements. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058660247
    I voted for national debt.
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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I voted for national debt.
    YAY!!!



    Wait til it hits $20 Trillion, then we'll have a party!

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    Re: Which issue is the most important to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    YAY!!!



    Wait til it hits $20 Trillion, then we'll have a party!
    If you add in unfunded internal obligations, we are already light years past that point.

    It's pretty freaking insane.

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