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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    No, but studying juries is.
    What? How so?
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    No, but studying juries is. If, however, the mock trial takes place after the actual trial has been completed, then it is fine, but under the circumstances that it specifically creates no bias in a jury.
    But their findings based on these mock juries/paid juries could create a bias.

    When I started this poll? I had a real train of thought but seemed to have lost it. Sorry.
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Could someone explain to me how studying juries, or using a mock jury to practice your approach to a real jury is unconstitutional, illegal or otherwise immoral?

    It's called practicing! Training!

    You know, the thing that anybody has to do to get good at anything worth doing!
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Could someone explain to me how studying juries, or using a mock jury to practice your approach to a real jury is unconstitutional, illegal or otherwise immoral?

    It's called practicing! Training!

    You know, the thing that anybody has to do to get good at anything worth doing!
    I already explained my thinking: their findings based on these mock juries/paid juries could create a bias.

    Real Trials and reading is how lawyers should train to get good at their jobs, not mock paid Juries.

    Edit like I said when I started this thread I had more of a train of thought but seem to have forgotten it. lol.
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I already explained my thinking: their findings based on these mock juries/paid juries could create a bias.
    Right, I saw that, but I fail to understand how this could possibly be.

    Could you maybe explain that to me?
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Right, I saw that, but I fail to understand how this could possibly be.

    Could you maybe explain that to me?
    Because they study the people and based on certain ways they look, act, etc. creates an image in their minds thus could lead to bias. Example: You have a mock jury and someone touched their nose cause it itched, someone leaned forward because their back was bothering them, etc. But those doing the study come up with some notion that people doing such things may lean a said way when that is not the case. Am I making sense here?

    The same thing happens with Real Juries which is why I asked should we maybe create new jobs and let people other than lawyers pick a jury. I am sure this is a bad idea though?

    Think about this you hire a lawyer fully expecting him to do his best work for you but he already heard about your case and HATES you. He takes your case just so he can get a jury to screw you. He is willing to lose his case because he thinks you are scum and this is personal. I am pretty sure this happens which is why I brought up that idea.
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    I don't want to derail this thread, but I want to comment: It seems apparent that you believe the current process for selecting juries is too adversarial or too easy to 'game'. In theory, our system is supposed to create an environment for a fair trial but because lawyers have become so adept at manipulating this aspect, they have become less fair.

    I haven't really thought about it much, but this issue is an important one. I do think the notion of random or impartial selection as opposed to 'adversarial' selection might both be good alternatives. Or perhaps it would be good to have the defendant choose which of the three methods to use.

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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I don't want to derail this thread, but I want to comment: It seems apparent that you believe the current process for selecting juries is too adversarial or too easy to 'game'. In theory, our system is supposed to create an environment for a fair trial but because lawyers have become so adept at manipulating this aspect, they have become less fair.

    I haven't really thought about it much, but this issue is an important one. I do think the notion of random or impartial selection as opposed to 'adversarial' selection might both be good alternatives. Or perhaps it would be good to have the defendant choose which of the three methods to use.
    I assume that this random selection would eliminate those who were obviously biased beforehand?
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Because they study the people and based on certain ways they look, act, etc. creates an image in their minds thus could lead to bias.
    Any bias would be only in the mind of the lawyer -- if a mock jury likes a certain approach or likes seeing evidence presented in a certain way, the lawyer goes before the real jury predisposed to use the same techniques.

    The bias doesn't affect the real jury, though. As such, what's the problem?
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    Re: Mock Juries: Do You Agree With Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Do you agree with having Mock Trials & Juries?

    You are suppose to have a constitutional right to a free trial among your peers. Don't ya think people studying how to pick a jury and get you locked up is wrong?

    If you have a right to be be tried by your peers then why should they be allowed to weed people out? Much less do focus groups on how to win. Do you not think this is wrong?

    *Edit: Excuse my grammar and spelling. Thanks.*
    Mock trials only benefit un-emotional law students, not real people with real emotions.

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