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Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded

  • I am for waterboarding Al Quaeda and Hutaree terrorists

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • I am for waterboarding Al Quaeda terrorists but not Hutaree terrorists

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • I am for waterboarding Hutaree terrorists but not Al Quaeda terrorists

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • I am against waterboarding Al Quaeda and Hutaree terrorists

    Votes: 24 66.7%

  • Total voters
    36

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The Hutaree Militia is a religious domestic terrorist organization located in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. They planned to make terrorist attacks on local law enforcement and then do follow-up attacks at the funerals to kill more local law enforcement. This plot was stopped by the F.B.I. who arrested 9 of the members. Their beliefs in fundamentalist Christianity caused them to believe that they would need to serve as warriors for God against the Anti-Christ and plotted against the American government.

So my question is this: since they are terrorists and since they are religious extremists and they planned a terrorist attack here in the United States, should they be waterboarded to see if they know of any other terrorist attacks being planned by any other terrorist organizations?

Edit: I posted the questions the way I did because most right-wingers are for waterboarding Muslim terrorists, and I wanted to know what they felt about waterboarding Christian terrorists.
 
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With a Democrat in the White House, I'm just pleasantly surprised the government didn't burn down their house and kill their children.
 
Waterboarding or any physical, and or most mental, torture are wrong.
But a shot of truth serum, if this works, a different story.
 
The Hutaree Militia is a religious domestic terrorist organization located in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. They planned to make terrorist attacks on local law enforcement and then do follow-up attacks at the funerals to kill more local law enforcement. This plot was stopped by the F.B.I. who arrested 9 of the members. Their beliefs in fundamentalist Christianity caused them to believe that they would need to serve as warriors for God against the Anti-Christ and plotted against the American government.

So my question is this: since they are terrorists and since they are religious extremists and they planned a terrorist attack here in the United States, should they be waterboarded to see if they know of any other terrorist attacks being planned by any other terrorist organizations?

Edit: I posted the questions the way I did because most right-wingers are for waterboarding Muslim terrorists, and I wanted to know what they felt about waterboarding Christian terrorists.

If there is reason to suspect they know about other terrorist attacks that are in the works, by all means. I am equal opportunity in my practice of waterboarding.
 
I think everyone should get the water board at least once in their life.:ind:
 
I'm against waterboarding peroid. I don't think we should ever do that to anyone.
 
I think both groups should be waterboarded. If it saves lives, thwarts plans, and gives insight to future attacks then it should be implimented. Honestly I am for more than waterboarding, why not give them drugs that would make them feel "safe" and induce the truth or something? These "Christian" (by all means Christian in name only, not in practice) should be waterboarded along with Al Quaeda and any other terrorist.
 
I'm against waterboarding peroid. I don't think we should ever do that to anyone.


We do it to our own soldiers, regularly, as a means of preparing them to cope with capture and being tortured.


It isn't in the same category as slicing off body parts or prying off fingernails.

Having said that... these militia people that have been arrested are American citizens, whatever they are accused of. If they have no rights, then I have no rights and you have no rights.

If you catch a foreign national planting a roadside bomb in Iraq for an American convoy, waterboard that sucker. If you catch a foreign national in America with evidence he is part of a major terrorist plot, waterboard that sucker.

We shouldn't be doing it to our own citizens however. There's this little thing called the Constitution.

Yes, I make the distinction between Americans (not waterboard-able due to BoR) and not-Americans found to be involved in terrorism (waterboard-able). Perhaps you think this is an unequable viewpoint. I don't care. If you're an American you are my countryman and protected by the Bill of Rights. If you're a foreigner known to be plotting terrorism against my country, screw you.
 
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We do it to our own soldiers, regularly, as a means of preparing them to cope with capture and being tortured.

But tht is voluntary and thus not illegal
 
It is sorta-kinda voluntary... but not really. Ever been in the military?

Voluntary as in joining the US military currently is voluntary


Also any one in the US military can get out of it by "coming out of the closet"
 
Voluntary as in joining the US military currently is voluntary


Also any one in the US military can get out of it by "coming out of the closet"


Funny.



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Yes, I make the distinction between Americans (not waterboard-able due to BoR) and not-Americans found to be involved in terrorism (waterboard-able). Perhaps you think this is an unequable viewpoint. I don't care. If you're an American you are my countryman and protected by the Bill of Rights. If you're a foreigner known to be plotting terrorism against my country, screw you.

So you're saying that American terrorists plotting against the country should have constitutional protections but foreign terrorists shouldn't?
 
Funny.



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And it should work without ever having to show any proof of being gay

I strongly doubt the CO is going to want video evidence of a man under his command being gay
 
So you're saying that American terrorists plotting against the country should have constitutional protections but foreign terrorists shouldn't?



Yup.


Foreign terrorists are not American citizens. Whether they are protected by the BoR is a subject of debate. If they were not in uniform then under the Geneva Conventions they are a "spy or saboteur" and are subject to summary execution under international law. They are not afforded the usual protections given to uniformed enemy soldiers.

American citizens are protected by the Constitution, period, whether they've been accused of terrorism or not.

And yes, I said the same thing about Jose Padilla several years ago.
 
It is sorta-kinda voluntary... but not really. Ever been in the military?

Ummm, don't try to tell Jallman it's not voluntary.
 
So you're saying that American terrorists plotting against the country should have constitutional protections but foreign terrorists shouldn't?

I can't speak for Goshin, but foreign terrorists are not American citizens, thus not protected by the constitution. They have no constitutional rights because they aren't citizens of this country.

Edit: seems like he posted while I was typing. Anyway that's my 2 cents and opinion on it.
 
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All i hear conservatives say when democrats want to do something is where is it in the constitution. Where is it people? These arent foreigners. These are american citizens. How in the world do you guys like the idea of giving the government the ability to arrest you and waterboard you based on any suspicion they might have?

It's rediculous. I've heard conservatives complain about the government sending out a census and not wanting to fill it out because they don't trust the government to handle vital information like your name and the number of people in your household or your race, but waterboarding? Sure, why the hell not...
 
Ummm, don't try to tell Jallman it's not voluntary.

If you are in the military and it's part of your program, it is not voluntary at all.

Of course, joining the military is voluntary in the first place. So much for your snarky "deflecting". :2wave:
 
All i hear conservatives say when democrats want to do something is where is it in the constitution. Where is it people? These arent foreigners. These are american citizens. How in the world do you guys like the idea of giving the government the ability to arrest you and waterboard you based on any suspicion they might have?

It's rediculous. I've heard conservatives complain about the government sending out a census and not wanting to fill it out because they don't trust the government to handle vital information like your name and the number of people in your household or your race, but waterboarding? Sure, why the hell not...
 
I can't speak for Goshin, but foreign terrorists are not American citizens, thus not protected by the constitution. They have no constitutional rights because they aren't citizens of this country.

Edit: seems like he posted while I was typing. Anyway that's my 2 cents and opinion on it.


Thing is, a lot of people want to make this about "being fair" and "treating everyone the same" and "not doing to them what we don't want them doing to us."

Horse $#!+.

The Bill of Rights applies to all American Citizens, period, even if they are accused of terrorism. Or at least it did, until the so-called "Patriot Act".

Foreign nationals who are not in uniform but who engage in acts of sabotage or terrorism against us are not subject to the protections normally afforded POW's, nor are they accused of simple crime, nor are they citizens of the USA. In wartime they can be tried by military tribunal and summarily executed. We are not obligated to extend them any rights at all unless we choose to do so.

I'm not intrested in being fair and equable. I'm intrested in protecting American Citizens. If you're Swedish, I assume your government will act to protect you... that is a government's job, to protect IT'S citizens, not everyone else's.
 
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