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Thread: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really. Even if said government becomes tyrannical and oppressive?
    You're suggesting that killing police officers is now justified?

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You're suggesting that killing police officers is now justified?

    THAT part would be pretty stupid, even if one stipulated that the government was tyrannical and needed to be opposed... which at this point is still a very dubious assertion. As long as the ballot box remains a viable option for real change, resorting to the cartridge box is premature at best.


    Presumably, the disenchantment of the dissidents-come-militants is based on the actions of politicians and similar highly-placed figures... the Big Wigs, in other word. The people who actually MAKE policy and law.


    As far as the Big Wigs are concerned, cops are expendable peons. Kill ten cops, kill a hundred, the Big Wigs will merely be annoyed at having lost some of what they would view as their enforcer-peons.



    If they were going to actually do something that would really have an impact, assuming they had three working brain cells between them they'd target some of those Big Wigs they are actually pissed at... the ones who actually MAKE the politicies that they hate.

    All of this is purely speculative of course. These people, American Citizens, have been accused of a crime of conspiracy... and we all remember "presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty", right?

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    THAT part would be pretty stupid, even if one stipulated that the government was tyrannical and needed to be opposed... which at this point is still a very dubious assertion. As long as the ballot box remains a viable option for real change, resorting to the cartridge box is premature at best.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Because WMDs are not strictly limited to nuclear weapons. They also include chemical and biological weapons designed to kill large numbers of people.
    Excellent point. So... if the missile could have delivered said chemical and biological weapons, then it would be considered a WMD.

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    I guess. But I think the 'weapon of mass destruction' found in Iraq was a weee bit larger than the so-called 'WMDs' the Hutaree militia was allegedly found with.
    Missles are not WMDs. Missiles can be delivery systems for them, but they aren't necessarily. It's the warhead - chemical, nuclear, or biological - that makes them a WMD. And none were found in Iraq.

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Excellent point. So... if the missile could have delivered said chemical and biological weapons, then it would be considered a WMD.
    No.

    It's not a WMD just because it could deliver one. If the warhead isn't a WMD, the missile isn't a WMD.

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The Hutaree Militia is a religious domestic terrorist organization located in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. They planned to make terrorist attacks on local law enforcement and then do follow-up attacks at the funerals to kill more local law enforcement. This plot was stopped by the F.B.I. who arrested 9 of the members. Their beliefs in fundamentalist Christianity caused them to believe that they would need to serve as warriors for God against the Anti-Christ and plotted against the American government.

    So my question is this: since they are terrorists and since they are religious extremists and they planned a terrorist attack here in the United States, should they be waterboarded to see if they know of any other terrorist attacks being planned by any other terrorist organizations?

    Edit: I posted the questions the way I did because most right-wingers are for waterboarding Muslim terrorists, and I wanted to know what they felt about waterboarding Christian terrorists.
    They're American citizens, so I'm not sure on what legal basis you could deny them their right to Constitutional due process.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    They're American citizens, so I'm not sure on what legal basis you could deny them their right to Constitutional due process.
    For the most part, due process applies to everyone, even non-citizens.

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I suppose you think our police have become tyrannical and oppressive and deserves to be killed while at funerals?



    If you supose that, well. Get some help because your comprehension and observational skills suck.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You're suggesting that killing police officers is now justified?


    No now it is not justified. However, if we were say in nazi germany and I liked bage and lox, I'd be arguing that yes indeed it would be justified.


    And no, currently it is not justified. My point was Catawba said that the government should never be afraid of violence from the people or some such nonsense.

    I asked him "even if said government becomes tyranical?"



    I made no contention that this government is tyrannical, simply stated as our founding fathers did, that governmnent SHOULD fear you and I.
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