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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So you're saying that American terrorists plotting against the country should have constitutional protections but foreign terrorists shouldn't?
    American citizen terrorists.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    All i hear conservatives say when democrats want to do something is where is it in the constitution. Where is it people? These arent foreigners. These are american citizens. How in the world do you guys like the idea of giving the government the ability to arrest you and waterboard you based on any suspicion they might have?

    It's rediculous. I've heard conservatives complain about the government sending out a census and not wanting to fill it out because they don't trust the government to handle vital information like your name and the number of people in your household or your race, but waterboarding? Sure, why the hell not...

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ummm, don't try to tell Jallman it's not voluntary.
    If you are in the military and it's part of your program, it is not voluntary at all.

    Of course, joining the military is voluntary in the first place. So much for your snarky "deflecting".

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    All i hear conservatives say when democrats want to do something is where is it in the constitution. Where is it people? These arent foreigners. These are american citizens. How in the world do you guys like the idea of giving the government the ability to arrest you and waterboard you based on any suspicion they might have?

    It's rediculous. I've heard conservatives complain about the government sending out a census and not wanting to fill it out because they don't trust the government to handle vital information like your name and the number of people in your household or your race, but waterboarding? Sure, why the hell not...

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I can't speak for Goshin, but foreign terrorists are not American citizens, thus not protected by the constitution. They have no constitutional rights because they aren't citizens of this country.

    Edit: seems like he posted while I was typing. Anyway that's my 2 cents and opinion on it.

    Thing is, a lot of people want to make this about "being fair" and "treating everyone the same" and "not doing to them what we don't want them doing to us."

    Horse $#!+.

    The Bill of Rights applies to all American Citizens, period, even if they are accused of terrorism. Or at least it did, until the so-called "Patriot Act".

    Foreign nationals who are not in uniform but who engage in acts of sabotage or terrorism against us are not subject to the protections normally afforded POW's, nor are they accused of simple crime, nor are they citizens of the USA. In wartime they can be tried by military tribunal and summarily executed. We are not obligated to extend them any rights at all unless we choose to do so.

    I'm not intrested in being fair and equable. I'm intrested in protecting American Citizens. If you're Swedish, I assume your government will act to protect you... that is a government's job, to protect IT'S citizens, not everyone else's.

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Thing is, a lot of people want to make this about "being fair" and "treating everyone the same" and "not doing to them what we don't want them doing to us."

    Horse $#!+.

    The Bill of Rights applies to all American Citizens, period, even if they are accused of terrorism. Or at least it did, until the so-called "Patriot Act".

    Foreign nationals who are not in uniform but who engage in acts of sabotage or terrorism against us are not subject to the protections normally afforded POW's, nor are they accused of simple crime, nor are they citizens of the USA. In wartime they can be tried by military tribunal and summarily executed. We are not obligated to extend them any rights at all unless we choose to do so.

    I'm not intrested in being fair and equable. I'm intrested in protecting American Citizens. If you're Swedish, I assume your government will act to protect you... that is a government's job, to protect IT'S citizens, not everyone else's.
    You have changed my opinion, at first I supported waterboarding for the Amrican terrorists but now I don't becuase they are protected by our constitution.

    I agree that the "playing fair" stuff is garbage. Our enemies don't care about us or being "humane." I would think the more humane action would be to waterboard terrorists to save the lives of Americans. It would be inhumane to extend our rights to non citizens who are criminals that intend to kill innocent people. It would be inhumane to not waterboard them and deny ourselves access to information that can save lives, find terrorists, or thwart their plants. And speaking of playing fair, if we give them our rights shouldn't they also pay our taxes too? To "be fair" shouldn't we tax them like citizens if they are going to have protection by the constitution that is for American citizens?

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The Hutaree Militia is a religious domestic terrorist organization located in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. They planned to make terrorist attacks on local law enforcement and then do follow-up attacks at the funerals to kill more local law enforcement. This plot was stopped by the F.B.I. who arrested 9 of the members. Their beliefs in fundamentalist Christianity caused them to believe that they would need to serve as warriors for God against the Anti-Christ and plotted against the American government.

    So my question is this: since they are terrorists and since they are religious extremists and they planned a terrorist attack here in the United States, should they be waterboarded to see if they know of any other terrorist attacks being planned by any other terrorist organizations?

    Edit: I posted the questions the way I did because most right-wingers are for waterboarding Muslim terrorists, and I wanted to know what they felt about waterboarding Christian terrorists.
    These guys were the Barney Fifes of a "dangerous" militia movement.
    They could of been caught with a mouse trap.

    Torturing them would be just for kicks.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think both groups should be waterboarded. If it saves lives, thwarts plans, and gives insight to future attacks then it should be implimented. Honestly I am for more than waterboarding, why not give them drugs that would make them feel "safe" and induce the truth or something? These "Christian" (by all means Christian in name only, not in practice) should be waterboarded along with Al Quaeda and any other terrorist.
    Yes, it would be the Christian thing to do.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Voluntary as in joining the US military currently is voluntary


    Also any one in the US military can get out of it by "coming out of the closet"
    As far as I know Al Qaeda doesn't draft its members.So they did volunteer to become terrorist.So they did volunteer for what ever happens to them.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, it would be the Christian thing to do.
    How so? The Bible doesn't say to prepare and wage terrorist war against a nation because of the coming anti-Christ. Actually it says to share love and spread the Gospel of Christ before the rapture. Christians will be raptured before the anti-christ rises to power, so we won't be here anyway to start a war. Instead what the Bible says to do is share the love of Christ with others so they might believe and be saved from sin and the coming anti-christ/Armageddon.

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