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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    I'm against waterboarding peroid. I don't think we should ever do that to anyone.

    We do it to our own soldiers, regularly, as a means of preparing them to cope with capture and being tortured.


    It isn't in the same category as slicing off body parts or prying off fingernails.

    Having said that... these militia people that have been arrested are American citizens, whatever they are accused of. If they have no rights, then I have no rights and you have no rights.

    If you catch a foreign national planting a roadside bomb in Iraq for an American convoy, waterboard that sucker. If you catch a foreign national in America with evidence he is part of a major terrorist plot, waterboard that sucker.

    We shouldn't be doing it to our own citizens however. There's this little thing called the Constitution.

    Yes, I make the distinction between Americans (not waterboard-able due to BoR) and not-Americans found to be involved in terrorism (waterboard-able). Perhaps you think this is an unequable viewpoint. I don't care. If you're an American you are my countryman and protected by the Bill of Rights. If you're a foreigner known to be plotting terrorism against my country, screw you.
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We do it to our own soldiers, regularly, as a means of preparing them to cope with capture and being tortured.
    But tht is voluntary and thus not illegal
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post


    But tht is voluntary and thus not illegal

    It is sorta-kinda voluntary... but not really. Ever been in the military?

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It is sorta-kinda voluntary... but not really. Ever been in the military?
    Voluntary as in joining the US military currently is voluntary


    Also any one in the US military can get out of it by "coming out of the closet"
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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Voluntary as in joining the US military currently is voluntary


    Also any one in the US military can get out of it by "coming out of the closet"

    Funny.



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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes, I make the distinction between Americans (not waterboard-able due to BoR) and not-Americans found to be involved in terrorism (waterboard-able). Perhaps you think this is an unequable viewpoint. I don't care. If you're an American you are my countryman and protected by the Bill of Rights. If you're a foreigner known to be plotting terrorism against my country, screw you.
    So you're saying that American terrorists plotting against the country should have constitutional protections but foreign terrorists shouldn't?

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Funny.



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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So you're saying that American terrorists plotting against the country should have constitutional protections but foreign terrorists shouldn't?


    Yup.


    Foreign terrorists are not American citizens. Whether they are protected by the BoR is a subject of debate. If they were not in uniform then under the Geneva Conventions they are a "spy or saboteur" and are subject to summary execution under international law. They are not afforded the usual protections given to uniformed enemy soldiers.

    American citizens are protected by the Constitution, period, whether they've been accused of terrorism or not.

    And yes, I said the same thing about Jose Padilla several years ago.

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It is sorta-kinda voluntary... but not really. Ever been in the military?
    Ummm, don't try to tell Jallman it's not voluntary.

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    Re: Should the Hutaree militia be waterboarded?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So you're saying that American terrorists plotting against the country should have constitutional protections but foreign terrorists shouldn't?
    I can't speak for Goshin, but foreign terrorists are not American citizens, thus not protected by the constitution. They have no constitutional rights because they aren't citizens of this country.

    Edit: seems like he posted while I was typing. Anyway that's my 2 cents and opinion on it.
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