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  • A purely Socialist economy

    5 6.25%
  • An economy with more Socialism then Capitalism

    10 12.50%
  • An economy with equal Socialist and Capitalist ideas

    12 15.00%
  • An economy with more Capitalism then Socialism

    34 42.50%
  • A purely Capitalist society

    19 23.75%
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Thread: Socialism vs. Capitalism

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    Socialism vs. Capitalism

    I've always felt the argument between Socialism and Capitalism has been stupid. It's a case of moderation, and balance, where we need elements of both to succeed.

    Consider pure Capitalism, in the late 1800's, with the railroad, steel, and oil industries to name a few. A few companies had monopolies over entire industries, and because there were no effective anti-trust laws, they dominated those for years.

    Consider pure Socialism. The Soviet Union fell apart because the institution simply didn't work. I really don't think I need to say anymore about Socialism.

    Now, consider the United States after WWII. We had a booming Capitalist society, the mass suburbinization of the country, and we had in place lots of socialist regulations and ideas. Our country flourished under this mix of ideology, and Western Europe followed in our footsteps, with varying levels of a mix between Socialism and Capitalism.

    So where do you stand on this?
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    This poll is deceiving because you cannot have a socialist government and capitalist government working together as a single body. It's either socialism or capitalism, there is no idealist 'perfect' world where socialism and capitalism can work together under the same government.

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    This poll is deceiving because you cannot have a socialist government and capitalist government working together as a single body. It's either socialism or capitalism, there is no idealist 'perfect' world where socialism and capitalism can work together under the same government.
    No, this isn't about government formats, but about economics. Socialist aspects like anti-trust laws, watchdogs, etc. Capitalist free markets.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Consider pure Socialism. The Soviet Union fell apart because the institution simply didn't work. I really don't think I need to say anymore about Socialism.
    I dont want to be nit-picking or derail the thread, but what the USSR had was not pure Socialism. It was Communism which IS different from Socialism.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I dont want to be nit-picking or derail the thread, but what the USSR had was not pure Socialism. It was Communism which IS different from Socialism.
    I was under the impression that they still had what could be considered a Socialist economy.

    Even if that isn't the case, I'm just using Socialism to depict centrally-planned economies, which don't work regardless of where and when.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I dont want to be nit-picking or derail the thread, but what the USSR had was not pure Socialism. It was Communism which IS different from Socialism.
    Not to mention the fact that "socialism doesn't work because the USSR fell apart" is a completely braindead argument to make. "It fell apart because it didn't work. I don't need to say anything else about it!"
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I was under the impression that they still had what could be considered a Socialist economy.

    Even if that isn't the case, I'm just using Socialism to depict centrally-planned economies, which don't work regardless of where and when.
    The USS had a Communist style of government and economy. The state was responsible for directing and managing the economy. That is not necessarily true with Socialism (although some forms of Socialism do embrace this).

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Not to mention the fact that "socialism doesn't work because the USSR fell apart" is a completely braindead argument to make. "It fell apart because it didn't work. I don't need to say anything else about it!"
    Agreed, the message seems to be "if you fail, give up, dont try again."
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Not to mention the fact that "socialism doesn't work because the USSR fell apart" is a completely braindead argument to make. "It fell apart because it didn't work. I don't need to say anything else about it!"
    Would you like me to explain why it fell apart?
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter
    Would you like me to explain why it fell apart?
    No, your assertions in your earlier posts in this thread have shown that you are unable to do so, so I'd rather you not try, thanks.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No, your assertions in your earlier posts in this thread have shown that you are unable to do so, so I'd rather you not try, thanks.
    Then if you don't want the explanation, stop wasting time.
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