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  • A purely Socialist economy

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  • An economy with more Socialism then Capitalism

    10 12.50%
  • An economy with equal Socialist and Capitalist ideas

    12 15.00%
  • An economy with more Capitalism then Socialism

    34 42.50%
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Thread: Socialism vs. Capitalism

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In a purely Capitalistic system - all work for the benefit of the corporation and it is up to the corporation to supply the needs of the people.
    This is false.
    All work for the benefit of themsleves. They might work for a corporation; if they do, they do it to benefit themselves.
    It is up to the people to supply their own needs.

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's not at all accurate, and welfare isn't a necessary component of socialism, and socialism is much more than welfare.
    The welfare state -isnt- a necessary component of socialim?
    Where, exactly, has that ever been the case?
    What then of 'from each according to his means to each according to his needs'?


    I didn't say they have a right to it, nor am I endorsing socialism as the solution. I am asking why you think leaving those people out is an "optimal" system. Not optimal for them.
    Simple -- your life is your responsibility, not mine.

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Simple -- your life is your responsibility, not mine.
    So capitalism isn't optimal.

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So capitalism isn't optimal.
    How so? Capitalism demands that you take responsibility for your own life, and that your success is based on your commitment to same.

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I dont want to be nit-picking or derail the thread, but what the USSR had was not pure Socialism. It was Communism which IS different from Socialism.
    Not according to my good friend from Kazan. She laughs when we (Americans) call the former USSR communist. Communism was their goal, they were still pretty far away from achieving it.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's not at all accurate, and welfare isn't a necessary component of socialism, and socialism is much more than welfare.
    Welfare is socialistic in concept and action. It takes from the whole to distribute as the state sees fit. It takes away from the successful and productive to give to the unsuccessful. It is in opposition to the laws of nature, thus long term, will not work.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How so? Capitalism demands that you take responsibility for your own life, and that your success is based on your commitment to same.
    No, it is your commitment as limited by your ability. If you are disabled, for instance, and can't work, all the commitment in the world won't help you one bit.

    (Again I remind you that I am not a socialist and don't advocate a total socialist system as the solution).

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Welfare is socialistic in concept and action. It takes from the whole to distribute as the state sees fit. It takes away from the successful and productive to give to the unsuccessful. It is in opposition to the laws of nature, thus long term, will not work.
    I am not defending welfare. I don't think welfare is socialism, not the way we use the term.

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I am not defending welfare. I don't think welfare is socialism, not the way we use the term.
    Just because the way we use the term may not "mean" socialism, it's still socialism in action.

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    We dont have public ownership of goods and services, for the most part, but via taxes, the government is distributing the goods and services of the private sector according to what the state thinks is fair and equitable. If the government were only in the business of providing funding for what was originally intended, then you could say otherwise, but government is not using tax receipts to benefit all citizens equally. They are using the labor of you and me to benefit special interests.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, it is your commitment as limited by your ability. If you are disabled, for instance, and can't work, all the commitment in the world won't help you one bit.
    Assuming for the moment that this is -necessarily- true, how does fact that some people will fail that mean the system isnt optimal?

    "Optimal" doesn't neceeistate that -everyone- succeeds to a level that -some- people would like.

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