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  • A purely Socialist economy

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  • An economy with more Socialism then Capitalism

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  • An economy with equal Socialist and Capitalist ideas

    12 15.00%
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Thread: Socialism vs. Capitalism

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Exactly.

    Which is why the publishers can make money on them - they don't have to pay the authors.

    See how that works?
    Anyone can make money off of them if they are marketable products.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It does mean that nearly all the time.
    No it doesn't, do you know that they sometimes release copies of movies on the internet through torrent websites to judge it's popularity before they release it in theaters?

    Now they won't admit to it but they do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But alot less money than they would. The artist didn't agree to it. Do you think that's right? How would that change without copyright laws?
    Erm no, artists have seen there pay go up while the recording industry has seen their profits go down.
    Artists make very little on cd/song sales and make the most on touring/live shows.

    Check the graphs out, I cant seem to link them here.
    Do music artists fare better in a world with illegal file-sharing? — Times Labs Blog

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's absurd.
    Why?
    Any creative work can be replaced by a superior version.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Anyone can make money off of them if they are marketable products.
    Why pay for something if you can get it for free?

    No it doesn't, do you know that they sometimes release copies of movies on the internet through torrent websites to judge it's popularity before they release it in theaters?

    Now they won't admit to it but they do it.
    Oh, so they won't admit it, huh? How do you know this big secret?

    Erm no, artists have seen there pay go up while the recording industry has seen their profits go down.
    What does that prove?

    Artists make very little on cd/song sales and make the most on touring/live shows.
    So why don't they all give away songs for free now? Nothing is stopping them.

    And that doesn't apply to books.

    Why?
    Any creative work can be replaced by a superior version.
    Artistic works are unique. But hey, where's the superior version come from anyway?

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    socialism would work if people would think on others instead of themselfs.
    Precisely why it fails. You can't actually know better than me, exactly what I want, and for what cost I'm willing to trade for it.
    Likewise I cannot know what you want, as precisely as you do, or what costs you are willing to sacrifice to get it.

    Once you accept these basic facts of reality, and simultaneously accept that individual liberty and the pursuit of happiness are ideals to hold dear, then proposing socialism is absurd.

    And given human nature, history has taught...some of us...that once others have your liberty, you are:
    1. a fool
    2. in trouble

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why pay for something if you can get it for free?
    People do it all the time.
    A lot of comes from emotional reasons, other times its convenience or quality reasons.

    Like how you can get your Federal taxes completed for free but a lot of people end up paying for it.

    I like to watch movies before I pay for it to see if it's worth buying in the first place.
    I use it as a filter as many other file sharing people do.
    The major movie production companies don't like us to look before we buy.

    I could download it and burn it to a DVD but if the movie is good I buy it.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh, so they won't admit it, huh? How do you know this big secret?
    I'm trying to find the news article on it but it was told by an industry insider supposedly.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What does that prove?
    It proves that the artist lose very little if anything from file sharing.
    The main loser is the industry production corporations.
    They are failing to adapt to the new market place.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So why don't they all give away songs for free now? Nothing is stopping them.

    And that doesn't apply to books.
    Some do and some don't.
    Like yourself, some people still believe that people won't pay for it when it is free to download.(That's not meant to be insulting.)
    It's a psychological barrier.

    They don't realize that airing the content is just a part of the larger campaign to earn money for your work.
    Most notably are live performances which generate the best revenue for music artists.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Artistic works are unique. But hey, where's the superior version come from anyway?
    Almost all art is built in prior works and/or inspiration.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People do it all the time.
    A lot of comes from emotional reasons, other times its convenience or quality reasons.
    Would you go in business and take risks to sell a product anyone can have for free?

    Some do and some don't.
    Like yourself, some people still believe that people won't pay for it when it is free to download.(That's not meant to be insulting.)
    It's a psychological barrier.
    Most won't. Not enough will to support lots of artists, who will give up and become truck drivers instead. Waste of talent and lack of good art will result.

    They don't realize that airing the content is just a part of the larger campaign to earn money for your work.
    Most notably are live performances which generate the best revenue for music artists.
    What about writers and poets, screenwriters and playwrights? Visual artists? Photographers? Writers of music and songs? Film-makers?

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Would you go in business and take risks to sell a product anyone can have for free?
    People do it all the time.
    Selling hamburgers has been done over and over again, yet people still do it.
    The goal is to put a new twist on it, to innovate.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Most won't. Not enough will to support lots of artists, who will give up and become truck drivers instead. Waste of talent and lack of good art will result.
    Not true, before the time of major patent law, artists had good lives and a great many copied each other over and over, of course they put a new twist on it.

    Check out all the copies of the "Madonna."
    Same basic concept, many different variations.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What about writers and poets, screenwriters and playwrights? Visual artists? Photographers? Writers of music and songs? Film-makers?
    There are a great many ways to adapt their works for sale.
    We are thinking too much in the box.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People do it all the time.
    Selling hamburgers has been done over and over again, yet people still do it.
    If hamburgers were suddenly easy to find lying on the ground, you wouldn't sell many more.

    The goal is to put a new twist on it, to innovate.
    Why should I?

    Not true, before the time of major patent law, artists had good lives and a great many copied each other over and over, of course they put a new twist on it.
    Uh, patent law (and copyright) has been around since before recorded music was invented.

    There are a great many ways to adapt their works for sale.
    We are thinking too much in the box.
    Why should I though?

    If people are willing to pay for music, why make it legal for them not to in the first place?

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