View Poll Results: Which do you Prefer

Voters
80. You may not vote on this poll
  • A purely Socialist economy

    5 6.25%
  • An economy with more Socialism then Capitalism

    10 12.50%
  • An economy with equal Socialist and Capitalist ideas

    12 15.00%
  • An economy with more Capitalism then Socialism

    34 42.50%
  • A purely Capitalist society

    19 23.75%
Page 19 of 20 FirstFirst ... 917181920 LastLast
Results 181 to 190 of 197

Thread: Socialism vs. Capitalism

  1. #181
    Sage
    misterman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    02-09-12 @ 08:41 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,913

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think that is certainly debatable, particularly if you note the freeware that is widely available on the market.
    You think you can run everything on freeware?

    And that's just computers.

    If you notice that the easier things have gotten to reproduce the more stringent IP laws have gotten, when it should be the opposite.
    Why?

  2. #182
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You think you can run everything on freeware?

    And that's just computers.
    Yes, but take a look at books still in publication a thousand years after they were released.
    They are still hot on the charts because of the quality.

    I'm talking about Republic and similar texts.


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why?
    The pace of technological changes, a program becomes obsolete quite quickly these days, not to mention the fact that they are virtual machines that should only be patented.

    Another reason is that replication of texts is dirt cheap with the combination of immediate market access.
    Things are moving to faster and cheaper with the same or better quality, they should be released earlier to inspire new works.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  3. #183
    Sage
    misterman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    02-09-12 @ 08:41 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,913

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes, but take a look at books still in publication a thousand years after they were released.
    They are still hot on the charts because of the quality.

    I'm talking about Republic and similar texts.
    But they aren't copyrighted. They make no money for their authors or anyone else who owns them.

    Copyright benefits people who are alive and creating things now. Many wouldn't bother working so hard to create if they couldn't make money on it. Why should they?

    The pace of technological changes, a program becomes obsolete quite quickly these days, not to mention the fact that they are virtual machines that should only be patented.
    Why does that matter with regard to the law? If a technology is obselete, you move on to a new one. Where do you think the new one came from anyway? From tinkerers in their basement? Or from people who want to make money who invest in pushing the envelope?

    Another reason is that replication of texts is dirt cheap with the combination of immediate market access.
    Things are moving to faster and cheaper with the same or better quality, they should be released earlier to inspire new works.
    How does that inspire new works? Anyone who owns a copyright can release their work any time they want to take advantage of market conditions. No change to copyright is needed for that.
    Last edited by misterman; 04-05-10 at 01:03 PM.

  4. #184
    Human 2.0
    Maximus Zeebra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Western Europe
    Last Seen
    09-07-17 @ 10:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    6,568

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me. Thanks for your responses.

    I was responding to the crazy idea that doctors and factory workers get paid the same under socialist regimes.
    No way.. I know Germany quite well, doctors make far more than factory workers in this socialist economy.
    I can say the same with certainty for the other socialist European economies as well.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

  5. #185
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But they aren't copyrighted. They make no money for their authors or anyone else who owns them.

    Copyright benefits people who are alive and creating things now. Many wouldn't bother working so hard to create if they couldn't make money on it. Why should they?
    No one owns them but the people who publish them make money.
    I think it is more important to spread the information than make money but that is just me.

    Copyright lasts the life of the author + 60 or 70 years, I can't remember exactly.
    Every revision of copyright law has made things that were in the public domain go right back to private ownership.

    You know the song "Happy Birthday"?
    It's owned by Time Warner but it was created a long while ago and not by them.

    It assumes though that without copy protections, that no one would buy the product, which I think has proven untrue when you look at the revenue of artists even when their product is free on the internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why does that matter with regard to the law? If a technology is obselete, you move on to a new one. Where do you think the new one came from anyway? From tinkerers in their basement? Or from people who want to make money who invest in pushing the envelope?
    It comes from both, some people like to create for the sake of creating things.
    Take Windows for instance, they have a decent product but they have become a behemoth and are slow to phase out or fix obsolete designs in their system, they are also allowed to keep prices artificially high.

    Then look at Companies like Mozilla or Ubuntu, they are both free and Ubuntu is open source which allows people to bug hunt for fun in their free time.
    Fixes for it come quicker than fixes for Windows.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  6. #186
    Sage
    misterman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    02-09-12 @ 08:41 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,913

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No one owns them but the people who publish them make money.
    Well, yeah - but the authors don't make money. See how that works?

    I think it is more important to spread the information than make money but that is just me.
    So people should work for you for free?

    You know the song "Happy Birthday"?
    It's owned by Time Warner but it was created a long while ago and not by them.
    And?

    It assumes though that without copy protections, that no one would buy the product, which I think has proven untrue when you look at the revenue of artists even when their product is free on the internet.
    That's because the only artists who give away their stuff free on the internet are the few who can make money anyway.

    Nothing is stopping all artists from giving away their stuff. If they can make money by doing so, why don't most of them do that?

    It comes from both, some people like to create for the sake of creating things.
    Take Windows for instance, they have a decent product but they have become a behemoth and are slow to phase out or fix obsolete designs in their system, they are also allowed to keep prices artificially high.
    Yes, and there are free alternatives now, though they likely wouldn't exist if Microsoft hadn't paved the way.

    But again, this is computers. One program can replace another. Not the same with creative works like books, music, etc.

  7. #187
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Well, yeah - but the authors don't make money. See how that works?
    The authors are long dead, they can't make money.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So people should work for you for free?
    That is not what I said but many people assume that low or no copyright law means that authors won't get paid.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And?
    It's freaking ridiculous.
    Technically, anytime a person sings that song in public they are supposed to pay a royalty to them.


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's because the only artists who give away their stuff free on the internet are the few who can make money anyway.

    Nothing is stopping all artists from giving away their stuff. If they can make money by doing so, why don't most of them do that?
    They aren't giving it away for free though, people are putting it on the internet without their consent but the artists are still making money.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, and there are free alternatives now, though they likely wouldn't exist if Microsoft hadn't paved the way.

    But again, this is computers. One program can replace another. Not the same with creative works like books, music, etc.
    Microsoft wasn't the first, Unix based systems came before them.
    I'd say that if people were allowed to adapt Windows and Dos the programs could of spawned many shoot offs with higher quality and better stability.

    They can't do that for at least another hundred years or so.

    Creative works are just as replaceable, anything is replaceable.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  8. #188
    The Philosoph from Europe bennyhill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Europe
    Last Seen
    02-03-11 @ 04:24 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    710

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    socialism would work if people would think on others instead of themselfs. If people followed Jesus words, then we would have socialism on earth. Yeah one could argue Jesus was the first socialist!
    Liberalism is freedom from tyranny. People of world unite to free us from Wallstreet!

    Republicanism is just another word for remaining selfish and ego-centric!

  9. #189
    Human 2.0
    Maximus Zeebra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Western Europe
    Last Seen
    09-07-17 @ 10:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    6,568

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    socialism would work if people would think on others instead of themselfs. If people followed Jesus words, then we would have socialism on earth. Yeah one could argue Jesus was the first socialist!
    I think Germany is one of the best functioning economies in the world, perhaps THE best. And it is a socialist economy. But then again, Germans also have the highest average IQ in the world, that could be the reason, or the model they have could be the reason they have the highest average IQ.
    Last edited by Maximus Zeebra; 04-05-10 at 01:36 PM.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

  10. #190
    Sage
    misterman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    02-09-12 @ 08:41 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,913

    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The authors are long dead, they can't make money.
    Exactly.

    Which is why the publishers can make money on them - they don't have to pay the authors.

    See how that works?

    That is not what I said but many people assume that low or no copyright law means that authors won't get paid.
    It does mean that nearly all the time.

    They aren't giving it away for free though, people are putting it on the internet without their consent but the artists are still making money.
    But alot less money than they would. The artist didn't agree to it. Do you think that's right? How would that change without copyright laws?

    Creative works are just as replaceable, anything is replaceable.
    That's absurd.

Page 19 of 20 FirstFirst ... 917181920 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •