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  • A purely Socialist economy

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  • An economy with more Socialism then Capitalism

    10 12.50%
  • An economy with equal Socialist and Capitalist ideas

    12 15.00%
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    34 42.50%
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Thread: Socialism vs. Capitalism

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Under socialism you dont run out of other peoples money, because everything belongs to everyone. Dont you understand? American oil would belong to americans and not Cheveron or Texaco.
    Yes, and if you decide to pay a doctor as much as a factory worker, there goes his incentive to work hard. Thats the problem with socialism, it takes away personal incentive to excel. Traditionally, the only way to get somewhere is by climbing ladders in the party system, and only liars and manipulators can do that.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yes, and if you decide to pay a doctor as much as a factory worker, there goes his incentive to work hard.
    Do doctors typically get paid the same as factory workers in socialist systems?

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Do doctors typically get paid the same as factory workers in socialist systems?
    I think factory workers in such socialist countries as Germany and France have roughly the same net pay as in the capitalist US. On average better, while not as high and low peaks.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I think factory workers in such socialist countries as Germany and France have roughly the same net pay as in the capitalist US. On average better, while not as high and low peaks.
    What about doctors?

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What about doctors?
    My understanding is everyone gets paid the same, but the difference is in levels of perks. And you get perks based upon performance, but in the socialist system quality takes a drop because people can lie about performance, and manipulate numbers for more perks.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    My understanding is everyone gets paid the same,
    So go look it up. There are socialist systems out there, you can just go find out.

    I think you'll be surprised at just how completely mistaken you are.

    There is nothing in either socialist theory or reality that says everyone gets paid the same, in salary or perks. Only a few extremist communists try to do anything like that, and that involves sending doctors out to actually be factory workers (or collective farmers, or whatever). And the even the commies don't do that anymore since it failed so miserably.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What about doctors?
    Dont know, I think American ones get paid slightly higher(doctors are on average the best paid job in American - justifiably).

    I have seen some figures for different European countries, and they are quite similar to the US numbers, but I dont have a clear view of the average, also it varies within Europe. My impression judged on memory of a rather weak basis of data is that European socialist countries pay their doctors slightly better than the more capitalist economies, and also have more doctors per person.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Dont know, I think American ones get paid slightly higher(doctors are on average the best paid job in American - justifiably).

    I have seen some figures for different European countries, and they are quite similar to the US numbers, but I dont have a clear view of the average, also it varies within Europe. My impression judged on memory of a rather weak basis of data is that European socialist countries pay their doctors slightly better than the more capitalist economies, and also have more doctors per person.
    Wouldn't surprise me. Thanks for your responses.

    I was responding to the crazy idea that doctors and factory workers get paid the same under socialist regimes.

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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yes, and if you decide to pay a doctor as much as a factory worker, there goes his incentive to work hard. Thats the problem with socialism, it takes away personal incentive to excel. Traditionally, the only way to get somewhere is by climbing ladders in the party system, and only liars and manipulators can do that.
    I'm don't intend to be offensive here, and this is not directed at you personally, but I think when people start discussing capitalism vs socialism, they tend to see the issue through a rich vs poor objective lens. This really isn't what makes capitalism vs socialism a subject worthy of discussion. It's not rich vs poor, good vs evil, and other opposite value terms. It's the idea that a system of economics and/or politics can give everyone access to success, by whatever means he can, be it by ingenuity, industriousness, determination, persuit of higher education, or sheer luck of being in the right place at the right time with the right product or opportunity, and this is what capitalism tends to facilitate. Some people actually believe that socialism can create equality of masses, but what it actually does is create two distinct classes: the poor working class (the vast majority), and the party class that rules. It does not really allow for a middle class, lower-middle, upper-middle. It does (as you stated well) destroy the will to succeed, and breeds an atmosphere of mediocrity.
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    Re: Socialism vs. Capitalism

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    They'll be very little intellectual property to share in the first place without those laws. But that's a new thread.
    I think that is certainly debatable, particularly if you note the freeware that is widely available on the market.

    If you notice that the easier things have gotten to reproduce the more stringent IP laws have gotten, when it should be the opposite.
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