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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    How do you know it doesn't? Have you read it?
    I'm reading it currently, and I can tell you as an insurance professional that it most certainly will not reduce costs, it will exacerbate the problem. Risk models are skewed towards the negative with the mandates on private companies, liabilities are increased, and the "public option" foundation has not stop loss mechanism. This is going to be painfully expensive.
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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    I would sign it, but only if Congress made the promise to make a Public Option in some seperate bill sometime soon.

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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    That's a dog-gone good question. I am not sure what I would have done.

    If I was to veto it, it would be because I don't think it did enough.

    If I was to sign it, it would only be because the longest journey begins with the first step and I would only do so fearing that a veto would put this necessary legislation on the back-burner for another 20 years. I honestly believe, underneath it all, that's EXACTLY what the GOP would want to do. Kill it.

    But, it is what it is. We got it. I think we should start now building upon it and improving it. And I would hope it could be done in a bipartisan manner. But asking the GOP to cooperate is like asking a baby not to cry. Just ain't gonna happen. Big business is too deep in their pockets. Let the people eat cake. It's all about their money to them, IMO.
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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    The kind of funding it takes to get the whole of senate to accept voting on bills without having read them.... any one of them could have called Obama on his promise to allow a full week for anyone to read the bill before there's a vote on them.

    I voted that if I were president and these conditions were present, I would sign the bill, because it would be political suicide to pull those kinds of strings. (Unless pretty well no senators have any balls for real)

    It's clear that Obama asked himself : 'What would George W do?"

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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm reading it currently, and I can tell you as an insurance professional that it most certainly will not reduce costs, it will exacerbate the problem. Risk models are skewed towards the negative with the mandates on private companies, liabilities are increased, and the "public option" foundation has not stop loss mechanism. This is going to be painfully expensive.
    Can you cite information from the bill that supports that conclusion?

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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Can you cite information from the bill that supports that conclusion?
    Couple of things that immediately pop into my head. Again, I'm still getting my feet wet here, but the 85/15 minimum liability mandate, this means that anything that doesn't cover 85% of all costs pre-deductible+out of pocket, usually you are better off with an 80/20, premiums are better because of the savings a company gets before the customer liability ends.

    Elimination of Pre-existing conditions, this is ultimately good for consumers, but not the companies or consumer pocketbooks, healthy people will ultimately subsidize conditions that are insanely expensive, as well the waiting period eliminations and elimination of lifetime usage maximums.

    The second paragraph I submitted contains some necessary and good things because health insurance is something I wish had a better price. Here's the problem, without actually addressing the core problems of health costs, the companies that provide catastrophic loss protection- i.e. Major medical, indemnity, hospitalization, etc. will have major headaches in managing the bottom line, because legally they have been stripped of their stop-loss mechanisms. The two options available in this situation are to eat the losses or pass them along, if you eat the loss then stockholders are angry, if you raise costs you are set up to price most of your consumer base out of the market. If major health costs were addressed by actually going through the real causes, we would bring the entire monster back down to tolerable levels.
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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    How do you know it doesn't? Have you read it?
    1) There's no public option to keep the insurance companies honest.

    2) After the bill passed it's already being reported that premiums are expected to rise. Check out the link below.

    Health premiums expected to rise 17% for young adults

    With that said, I just don't see how this thing is going to work in favor of the American people.
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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    That's a dog-gone good question. I am not sure what I would have done.

    If I was to veto it, it would be because I don't think it did enough.

    If I was to sign it, it would only be because the longest journey begins with the first step and I would only do so fearing that a veto would put this necessary legislation on the back-burner for another 20 years. I honestly believe, underneath it all, that's EXACTLY what the GOP would want to do. Kill it.

    I would have signed it for that reason alone ^. It is the first step. It wasn't ideal but it's real and it's here. A veto would have put it on the back burner for God knows how long.




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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Signed. The key was to get it into the door and then we can improve it. Baby Steps People.
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    Re: Would you have signed or vetoed the health care bill?

    Signed. At the start of this debate as high as 90% of the people believed we needed health care reform. You can bet the democrats came up with a more people friendly bill than the insurance/corporate/republicans would ever have. The simple fact that billions were spent trying to defeat the bill tells me it's better than most people think it is. Is it what I'd like, no, but it's a start. The republicans would have given us more medi-gap. That's the biggest tax payer rip-off by insurance companies and drug companies in history. I hope the democrats fix that mess. They could save billions just letting the government nagociate the price of drugs we the taxpayers pay for.
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