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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I know, just making a point. But maybe you should at least think about what I'm saying. If we justify restrictions based on maturity and hormones, 18 is not the best age. Nothing magic about 18, we can change it if we want.
    Oh okay, I can agree with that, on that basis.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    But you commit armed robbery... F-you and your rights.
    Just to let you know, I got thread banned once for that exact same phrase. Not that I really take offense to it; but just letting you know.

    But I don't care what you think about it, the rights and liberties of the individual are what the government was created to protect, and it is in that light in which you can maximize freedom. I would much rather people have the full of their rights recognized once again than to allow abusive punishments from the government which infringe on the very basics.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    For the time under which the government can legitimately punish the individual. After all punishment, probation, etc. has been completed, the full rights of the individual must once again be recognized.
    But if the person in question kills someone with a gun after serving his sentence, that could easily have been avoided, by simply not allowing him to procure that firearm in the first place.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But if the person in question kills someone with a gun after serving his sentence, that could easily have been avoided, by simply not allowing him to procure that firearm in the first place.
    Nope. Rights are absolute. And it's not easily avoided. If someone with a criminal record already wants to off someone, they are already in contact with everyone they need to know to go about getting a gun. So it's not really a protection as much as it is draconian law allowing for the expansion of government power against the rights and liberties of the individual.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You need a permit to assemble in a public square? Why? Public safety outweighs your right to hold a protest anytime you want.
    These are time/place/manner restrctiuons and apply to just that event, and only so long as that event is on public property.

    For this argument to apply toi guns, it has to be applied in the same manner -- that is, for when you want to use a gun on publis property.
    Gun science and gun culture has changed in the last 200 years, has it not? In the interest of public safety, keeping track of handguns so police can track them after a crime has been committed etc.
    Except that registraton is a precondition placed on the exercise of a right not inherent to same. This means it is an infringement, just as a requirement to register with the government before you can go to church.

    The only way registration is NOT an infringement is if it passes a test of strict scrutiny, where you show a compelling state interest, and that said precondition is the least restrictive means to achieve that interest.

    Good luck with that, especilly given the level to which a 'compelling state interest' must rise.
    Not sure what this pertains too. Amazon.com keeps pretty good track of what you're reading. Why do you think they always suggest books you might like.
    This is not an action taken by the state. Apples and tuna.
    When a certain weapon becomes a threat to public safety.
    Few, if any, of these weapons fall under the definition of 'arms' as the term is used in the 2nd.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Just to let you know, I got thread banned once for that exact same phrase. Not that I really take offense to it; but just letting you know.

    But I don't care what you think about it, the rights and liberties of the individual are what the government was created to protect, and it is in that light in which you can maximize freedom. I would much rather people have the full of their rights recognized once again than to allow abusive punishments from the government which infringe on the very basics.
    Preventing someone who committed armed robbery from ever owning a gun again is hardly abusive... That person has violated the public trust to such a degree that he has forfeited one of his rights.

    In the same way sex offenders should be prohibited from hanging out at arcades or working with kids...

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Preventing someone who committed armed robbery from ever owning a gun again is hardly abusive... That person has violated the public trust to such a degree that he has forfeited one of his rights.

    In the same way sex offenders should be prohibited from hanging out at arcades or working with kids...
    Good point. I'd like to see anyone suggest a pedophile can go back to work at the kindergarten when his prison term is up.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Preventing someone who committed armed robbery from ever owning a gun again is hardly abusive... That person has violated the public trust to such a degree that he has forfeited one of his rights.

    In the same way sex offenders should be prohibited from hanging out at arcades or working with kids...
    Rights aren't about public trust. Rights are about innate abilities to the individual which limit the powers of government. That's what a right is. Thus when you infringe upon the rights of the individual through due process, there is a limitation to how long you can use force of government to infringe upon the exercise of those rights. If it's not life in prison without parole, you're on the clock. And when the clock expires, the full rights and liberties of the individual are once again recognized in full.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Rights aren't about public trust. Rights are about innate abilities to the individual which limit the powers of government. That's what a right is. Thus when you infringe upon the rights of the individual through due process, there is a limitation to how long you can use force of government to infringe upon the exercise of those rights. If it's not life in prison without parole, you're on the clock. And when the clock expires, the full rights and liberties of the individual are once again recognized in full.
    So pedophiles should get all their rights back, including the right to work anywhere they want, and the right to privacy (i.e. not being listed on a public registry)?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But if the person in question kills someone with a gun after serving his sentence, that could easily have been avoided, by simply not allowing him to procure that firearm in the first place.
    Why would you want to EVER let someone out of prison who committed armed robbery?

    Think about it... if you commit armed robbery you are putting the lives of everyone involved at risk. Even if you do so with no intent of killing anyone, what if the clerk pulls a gun? What if a customer jumps you? What if the cops suddenly show up? In many cases when these things happen, somebody gets killed even if the perp didn't originally intend to murder.

    Keep scumbags who do these things in prison for life, and you don't have to worry about it so much.

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