View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I believe M2 is what we call a contrarian--someone who wants to argue for the sake of arguing and after he runs out of legitimate arguments and has been given the "black knight treatment" (King Arthur: what are you gonna do-bleed on me?) he continues with increasingly inane bits of nonsense just to keep arguing




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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    My comment was completely relevant.

    If someone shoots you, the government intervenes - but you're already dead!

    So if the government wants to protect my right to life, it's perfectly appropriate to do so with preventive measures such as trying to keep guns out of the hands of those who might shoot me.

    Now, you can argue that those measures are ineffective or unconstitutional, but they aren't inappropriate for protecting my right to life.
    It is not relevant unless you are prepared to remove all knives and forks that might be used to kill, in addition to ninjitsu masters that can flick their wrist and kill me just as easily. How is the government going to regulate the toilet water level that I thrust your head into as I kill you/a person? How about the hotsauce that I, well, I think you get the point. Gun regulation arguments are ridiculous in that people will simply kill others with swords or bows or staffs or spoons. Where does it end? Crazy murderers are the problem, not the weapons. So, I argue that your point is still, completely and totally irrelevant.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    It is not relevant unless you are prepared to remove all knives and forks that might be used to kill, in addition to ninjitsu masters that can flick their wrist and kill me just as easily. How is the government going to regulate the toilet water level that I thrust your head into as I kill you/a person? How about the hotsauce that I, well, I think you get the point. Gun regulation arguments are ridiculous in that people will simply kill others with swords or bows or staffs or spoons. Where does it end? Crazy murderers are the problem, not the weapons. So, I argue that your point is still, completely and totally irrelevant.
    Exactly. You have countries today (I'll be nice and not name names) who arrest people for having a Swiss Army knife with a 2" blade in their pockets, who regulate or ban swords and long knives, and so on. Those nations still have murder, and many of them have more general crime than the USA.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    It is not relevant unless you are prepared to remove all knives and forks that might be used to kill, in addition to ninjitsu masters that can flick their wrist and kill me just as easily. How is the government going to regulate the toilet water level that I thrust your head into as I kill you/a person? How about the hotsauce that I, well, I think you get the point. Gun regulation arguments are ridiculous in that people will simply kill others with swords or bows or staffs or spoons. Where does it end? Crazy murderers are the problem, not the weapons. So, I argue that your point is still, completely and totally irrelevant.
    Well thanks for adding a relevant addition to my relevant comment. It was still relevant.

    Let me know how many people are killed each year by being thrust into toilets or burned by hot sauce, and we'll talk.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Exactly. You have countries today (I'll be nice and not name names) who arrest people for having a Swiss Army knife with a 2" blade in their pockets, who regulate or ban swords and long knives, and so on. Those nations still have murder, and many of them have more general crime than the USA.
    Yes, you need to name their names, with their murder rates please.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, you need to name their names, with their murder rates please.
    Do you make such requests because

    1) you don't like his point and you cannot refute it but you feel a need to attack it

    2) you know the answer but want to stall delay or divert

    3) you have no idea how to use google or you are happy being ignorant?



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Playing silly games I see

    CLinton Bragged that because of the Brady Bill 100,000 felons were unable to get guns

    It is akin to Clinton putting guards at several thousand banks and bragging those guards stopped 100,000 bank robberies even if the robbers robbed other banks at the same rate as they did before the guards were hired.


    Here is what really happened. Many of the people who were denied properly were people who had minor league felonies from years ago-often charges that were no longer felonies such as weed possession others had stuff like dishonorable discharges. Many others were just moronic felons who figured their old records couldn't be found.

    In other words, the Brady bill did nothing to make anyone safer (though one left wing study did Find that the Brady bill waiting period did cause suicides among say 55-60 year olds to slightly decrease)

    NOW if everyone who lied on the federal form got say 3 years for perjury, a fair amount of crime probably would have been prevented.

    The fact is if you merely deny a felon a legal purchase and they plan on using the gun for a crime, you have accomplished nothing

    Its the concept of inelastic demand vs elastic demand

    Clinton is a leftist imbecile that supported a bill that blatantley violated the 2nd amendment of the constitution. The Brady Bill was wrong, the left was wrong, and anybody who supported the gun portion of the domestic violence law createed by the old left is wrong.

    The text of 2nd amendment SPECIFICALLY prohibits the government from infringing on the right of the people to have and bear arms.

    The old left badly violated the 2nd amendment with their anti-gun bull****.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Do you make such requests because

    1) you don't like his point and you cannot refute it but you feel a need to attack it

    2) you know the answer but want to stall delay or divert

    3) you have no idea how to use google or you are happy being ignorant?
    Or, he wants to see the data, because he can't find it/doesn't need to find it because he doesn't have the burden of proof?
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Or, he wants to see the data, because he can't find it/doesn't need to find it because he doesn't have the burden of proof?
    some stuff is so obvious that it is clear to me that what I said is going on

    anyone who wants to engage in debating gun restrictions is presumed to know the basic framework

    It would be like arguing abortion and not knowing that Roe v wade wiped away state bans of abortion



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some stuff is so obvious that it is clear to me that what I said is going on

    anyone who wants to engage in debating gun restrictions is presumed to know the basic framework

    It would be like arguing abortion and not knowing that Roe v wade wiped away state bans of abortion
    I've heard that making an assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups.
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