View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    There should be almost no restrictions at all. A felon should never be allowed to own a gun after parole, for instance. That might be the conversation going on right now, but I did not read enough to find out. People with certain mental ailments should not be allowed to run around freely and harm others or to own guns. People should not be allowed to hurl hate speech or shout "look out" at somebody just as a bus is going by hoping to make them get clipped. Crap like that. Otherwise, the government should just stay the hell out of the way and let people live their lives.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    There should be almost no restrictions at all. A felon should never be allowed to own a gun after parole, for instance. That might be the conversation going on right now, but I did not read enough to find out. People with certain mental ailments should not be allowed to run around freely and harm others or to own guns. People should not be allowed to hurl hate speech or shout "look out" at somebody just as a bus is going by hoping to make them get clipped. Crap like that. Otherwise, the government should just stay the hell out of the way and let people live their lives.
    Hard to live your life when someone shoots you dead.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    False choice fallacy
    We can choose that it is important enough to prevent them, but not important enough to prosecute everyone who tries
    Not while retaining any consistency in the argument, or without eliminating any vailidity to the idea that there is a compelling state interest involved.

    If there is a compelling state interest in restricting the rights of others to prevent criminals from having guns, then said compelling interst necessitates that you procecute those that try. Else, there is no consequence to the felonious violation of the prohibition.

    If there is no compelling state interest, then there is no argument that said restrction is constitutionally permissible.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Hard to live your life when someone shoots you dead.
    How is this relevant to what he said?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Hard to live your life when someone shoots you dead.
    uh, whatever. What the hell does that have to do with anything I said. Put that comment in context or else it will be viewed as trolling.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I'll take your lack of response as proof that you -- what was it you said? -- oh yes, you've "conceded the issue."



    There's no issue to concede.

    If you take away all the things that are wrong with them, then there is, by necessity, nothing wrong with rape, murder, torture, slavery, terrorism, child pornography, incest, adultry, or the NICS.

    What, excactly, do you think this is supposed to prove?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post


    There's no issue to concede.

    If you take away all the things that are wrong with them, then there is, by necessity, nothing wrong with rape, murder, torture, slavery, terrorism, child pornography, incest, adultry, or the NICS.

    What, excactly, do you think this is supposed to prove?
    Interesting debate, I will follow this point and join in when appropriate.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not while retaining any consistency in the argument, or without eliminating any vailidity to the idea that there is a compelling state interest involved.
    It's not inconsistent at all.

    It's like posting a guard at a door and not letting anyone in who doesn't have an invitation. You don't have to arrest everyone who asks to get in but doesn't have one.

    Do bouncers call the cops to arrest every kid who tries to use a fake ID?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post


    There's no issue to concede.

    If you take away all the things that are wrong with them, then there is, by necessity, nothing wrong with rape, murder, torture, slavery, terrorism, child pornography, incest, adultry, or the NICS.

    What, excactly, do you think this is supposed to prove?
    I will take your lack of answer as conceding the issue. Like you did with mine.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How is this relevant to what he said?
    He said "the government should just stay the hell out of the way and let people live their lives."

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