View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Not silly at all.
    You're right -- it is -exceptionally- silly.

    Asude from all the things that are wrong with them, what;s wrong with slavery? Rape? Murder? Terrorism?

    And I'll take your lack of response regarding the issue of the failure to prosecute all those felons tha tried to by a gun asa concession of that point.

    And here's another question - if a background check is prior restraint doesn't that make any furnishing of proof of legal qualification to do anything also prior restraint? Such as giving an ID to prove your age in order to buy a gun? Or to get a beer? Is that unconstitutional too?
    No and no.

    The government isnt restricting you because you might be committing a crime, it is verifying your identity. Requiring proof of identity is a -necessary- function regarding the right toi arms in that you have to prove you are who you say you are when you fill out the paperwork. It's no different than providing ID when you vote.

    There's no constitutionally protected right to buy a beer.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-09-10 at 12:28 PM.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're right -- it is exceptionally silly.

    Asude from all the things that are wrong with them, whats wrong with slavery? Rape? Murder? Terrorism?
    I'm not sure you understand the question. Or else you're dodging it.

    And I'll take your lack of rresponse rom the other post that you have conceded the issue regarding the failure to prosecute all those felons that tried to buy a gun.
    No, you may not do that. You may take it as a lack of response, nothing more.

    Fact is, I seem to have missed that post - which one?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But losing their rights is part of the punishment. They lose their freedom (go to prison) for a few years, and they lose other rights for longer than that. So their punishment isn't over.
    If you want to infinitely punish someone, life in prison without parole. Otherwise, all punishment must come with an expiration date.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Fine, if that's what society thinks is necessary and appropriate, though I wouldn't necessarily support that. This excludes, of course, 5th amendment or other criminal process rights. Those obviously can't be taken away.
    Why? If the draconian thought process you endorse is allowed dominate; why can something like the 5th be observed? There's nothing in your big brother world that would say that it should be special in any way shape or form.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Are we just debating or does someone want to make a point?

    Who wants ex-cons who maybe have killed someone, easy access to guns? They probably have lost other rights like being able to be a policeman or hold public office. Does anybody bitch about these infringments?
    The point is that if it is SO important to keep ex-cons ftom buying guns - so important that the rights of the law abiding must be infringed to do it - then those that try do so should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    That they are not illustrates a failure of the law thru a lack of enforcement.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you want to infinitely punish someone, life in prison without parole. Otherwise, all punishment must come with an expiration date.
    Different terms for different kinds of punishment are common. You send someone to prison, but then keep them on parole, for instance.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Different terms for different kinds of punishment are common. You send someone to prison, but then keep them on parole, for instance.
    And parole only lasts a few years at most. Done. Then the guy can go buy guns legally again.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I'm not sure you understand the question. Or else you're dodging it.
    I'm not sure why you don't understand how inane the question is and how unnecessary it is to respond to.

    No, you may not do that. You may take it as a lack of response, nothing more.
    Until you respond, I certainly will.

    Fact is, I seem to have missed that post - which one?
    The one right before my response to your exceptionally silly question.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-09-10 at 12:45 PM.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The point is that if it is SO important to keep ex-cons ftom buying guns - so important that the rights of the law abiding must be infringed to do it - then those that try do so should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    That they are not illustrates a failure of the law thru a lack of enforcement.
    False choice fallacy.

    We can choose that it is important enough to prevent them, but not important enough to prosecute everyone who tries. We can choose whatever we want. You're offering a false choice between two extremes.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm not sure why you don't understand how inane the question is and how unnecessary it is to respond to.
    I'll take your lack of response as proof that you -- what was it you said? -- oh yes, you've "conceded the issue."


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