View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Are you suggesting, that ex-convicts should be able to buy guns legally, because they will buy them illegally otherwise.

    I really dont have a opinion on the status of excons, but many honest citizens would feel safer, when murders and other criminals who use guns on us cant buy them legally?
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're asking me if, once you remove all the things that are wrong with it, is there still anything wrong with it?
    That's just silly.
    Not silly at all.

    Got an answer?

    And here's another question - if a background check is prior restraint doesn't that make any furnishing of proof of legal qualification to do anything also prior restraint? Such as giving an ID to prove your age in order to buy a gun? Or to get a beer? Is that unconstitutional too?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Are we just debating or does someone want to make a point?

    Who wants ex-cons who maybe have killed someone, easy access to guns? They probably have lost other rights like being able to be a policeman or hold public office. Does anybody bitch about these infringments?
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Are you suggesting, that ex-convicts should be able to buy guns legally, because they will buy them illegally otherwise.

    I really dont have a opinion on the status of excons, but many honest citizens would feel safer, when murders and other criminals who use guns on us cant buy them legally?
    I believe ex-convicts should be able to buy guns legally because once the full of their punishment is over, the full of their rights should once again be recognized.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I believe ex-convicts should be able to buy guns legally because once the full of their punishment is over, the full of their rights should once again be recognized.
    But losing their rights is part of the punishment. They lose their freedom (go to prison) for a few years, and they lose other rights for longer than that. So their punishment isn't over.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Are we just debating or does someone want to make a point?

    Who wants ex-cons who maybe have killed someone, easy access to guns?
    Wouldn't making it harder for them to get firearms result in the same for the huge vast majority like 99.999999% of the population who has not done anyone wrong present or in their past? Should we require a license,registration for books, paper, computer, churches and other things just because someone committed treason,libel, a crazy cult that killed lots of people or something else?


    I used to be on board the ex-cons shouldn't be allowed to do shit anymore band wagon too.However the government has no business infringing on any citizens right's just because of a few bad apples or what a few bad apples did in the past. If these ex-cons were so dangerous that they can not be trusted with full rights as a US citizen then they should not have been released from prison in the first place. So their rights as American citizens should not be infringed. It doesn't make any sense infringing the rights of those who do obey the law under the guise of stopping those who do not obey the law in the first place.

    They probably have lost other rights like being able to be a policeman or hold public office. Does anybody bitch about these infringments?

    Being a policeman,politician or serving in the military is not constitutional right that does not say shall not be infringed or that congress shall make no law restricting.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But losing their rights is part of the punishment.
    What if the government said ex-cons will be banned from religion,protest, addressing grievances to the government, shall not have any more 5th amendment rights or any other constitutional rights?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What if the government said ex-cons will be banned from religion,protest, addressing grievances to the government, shall not have any more 5th amendment rights or any other constitutional rights?
    Fine, if that's what society thinks is necessary and appropriate, though I wouldn't necessarily support that. This excludes, of course, 5th amendment or other criminal process rights. Those obviously can't be taken away.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well we know where liberals and moderates stand.
    Isn't that like two of the same thing these days?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Fine, if that's what society thinks is necessary and appropriate, though I wouldn't necessarily support that. This excludes, of course, 5th amendment or other criminal process rights. Those obviously can't be taken away.
    If the government can take away other rights then surely nothing can stop them from taking even rights aimed at criminals.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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