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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it has little to no effect. Making people register guns will not stop illegal guns nor will it significantly impact the number of illegal guns out there. So in the end, all it provides is another layer of bureaucracy against regular people looking to exercise their rights.
    I guess you can make that arguement because there's really no way you can stop illegal guns but I was really trying to get at optaining arms in general because it is a basic right that shouldn't be violated, But the fact that there are still people who will get over out there even with regulation is a justified defence to the point you're making.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Why do you think that?
    I answered that question earlier in the thread when you first asked me.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    I think it would work because the issue we have on the black market has nothing to do with gun registration but it has to do with taking away the rights to have guns.
    I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you are getting at.

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    If you keep that as a right and just have certain regulations like what i've proposed than there wouldn't be much of a problem. How do you think that affects us all?
    Which regulations have you proposed (besides registration of firearms)?
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because if you catalog all the law abiding citizens, database the crap out of them, data mine till your arms are tired, and make sure you have a list of all their guns, where they keep them, and why they have them; then the only undocumented guns left are held by criminals. Thus you know where the criminals are at.

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    Gangster aren't the only people who murder people. Illegally bought guns aren't the only guns used in murders.

    I say someone can't own a gun that really has no practical use in self-defense or sport. An anti-material rifle is one, an RPG is another.

    If someone has a history of violent crimes, I see no reason in letting them own a gun.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    I say someone can't own a gun that really has no practical use in self-defense or sport. An anti-material rifle is one, an RPG is another.
    Most weapons can be said to have a self-defense use.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you are getting at.
    What I was trying to say there was the reason so many people get arms illegally is because there are so many laws against gun rights and the black market is a way to get around this.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Which regulations have you proposed (besides registration of firearms)?
    The one you listed was one and the other was having a license to obtain guns.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    What I was trying to say there was the reason so many people get arms illegally is because there are so many laws against gun rights and the black market is a way to get around this.
    So wait, you're then saying that if we get rid of all laws barring say registration and a license, that you can decrease the number of illegal guns out there? Perhaps, I'm not sure I buy it. Though I'm always on board for throwing gun laws out the window....where they should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    The one you listed was one and the other was having a license to obtain guns.
    I don't like this because it implies that gun ownership is a government granted privilege and not a right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post
    What I was trying to say there was the reason so many people get arms illegally is because there are so many laws against gun rights and the black market is a way to get around this.
    This makes no sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Progressive86 View Post

    The one you listed was one and the other was having a license to obtain guns.
    What would licensing gun owners do that you believe would be beneficial? Criminals aren't going to get licensed (nor register their guns).
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So wait, you're then saying that if we get rid of all laws barring say registration and a license, that you can decrease the number of illegal guns out there? Perhaps, I'm not sure I buy it. Though I'm always on board for throwing gun laws out the window....where they should be.
    Well it sounds like a conspiracy but what I was getting at was the laws that we have now that make it harder for the law abiding citizens to have guns but easy for those who get them illegally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't like this because it implies that gun ownership is a government granted privilege and not a right.
    How so? All I'm saying is that I consider they should be registered and licensed. Not that we should exclude certain people from owning guns.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Permits and licenses are forms of permission. If you have to ask permission, it's not a right; it's a granted privilege.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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