View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

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    I never said prior restraint only applies to freedom of speech.
    You most certainly did.

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    "Prior restraint"? I've never heard that term used to describe anything but freedom of the press.
    Go read my actual words.
    Those are your actual words.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You most certainly did.



    Those are your actual words.
    Yes they are. And they say that I've never heard it used that way. They do NOT say that it can't be used that way.

    Learn to read.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post

    Yes. And they say that I've never heard it used that way. They do NOT say that it can't be used that way.

    Learn to read.
    Well, you are equating your anecdotal evidence to try to invalidate goobieman's point, otherwise why would you bother opining. This attempt at playing to ambiguity won't work here.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, you are equating your anecdotal evidence to try to invalidate goobieman's point, otherwise why would you bother opining. This attempt at playing to ambiguity won't work here.
    Nope. You're putting words in my mouth again.

    My words mean exactly what they said. I hadn't heard that before. If you notice, I later said he might have a point.

    That's twice you've tried to speak for me. Don't. I'll do it for myself.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Nope. You're putting words in my mouth again.

    My words mean exactly what they said. I hadn't heard that before. If you notice, I later said he might have a point.

    That's twice you've tried to speak for me. Don't. I'll do it for myself.
    You used the point as a counter, and based on anecdotal evidence. Anyone with a simple grasp of logic would realize what you were saying.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Stupid? I was just repeating what YOU said: it prevented ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND OR MORE FELONS FROM BUYING GUNS.

    Was that stupid?

    Playing silly games I see

    CLinton Bragged that because of the Brady Bill 100,000 felons were unable to get guns

    It is akin to Clinton putting guards at several thousand banks and bragging those guards stopped 100,000 bank robberies even if the robbers robbed other banks at the same rate as they did before the guards were hired.


    Here is what really happened. Many of the people who were denied properly were people who had minor league felonies from years ago-often charges that were no longer felonies such as weed possession others had stuff like dishonorable discharges. Many others were just moronic felons who figured their old records couldn't be found.

    In other words, the Brady bill did nothing to make anyone safer (though one left wing study did Find that the Brady bill waiting period did cause suicides among say 55-60 year olds to slightly decrease)

    NOW if everyone who lied on the federal form got say 3 years for perjury, a fair amount of crime probably would have been prevented.

    The fact is if you merely deny a felon a legal purchase and they plan on using the gun for a crime, you have accomplished nothing

    Its the concept of inelastic demand vs elastic demand
    Last edited by TurtleDude; 04-08-10 at 10:40 PM.



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Well we know where liberals and moderates stand.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well we know where liberals and moderates stand.
    The word stand is subject to debate in that context



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You used the point as a counter, and based on anecdotal evidence. Anyone with a simple grasp of logic would realize what you were saying.
    Nope. Not even close. I think Goobieman understood that, even if you didn't. And most important, I SAY that's not what I meant. I know what I meant, you don't. So give it up.
    Last edited by misterman; 04-09-10 at 10:18 AM.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    CLinton Bragged that because of the Brady Bill 100,000 felons were unable to get guns

    It is akin to Clinton putting guards at several thousand banks and bragging those guards stopped 100,000 bank robberies even if the robbers robbed other banks at the same rate as they did before the guards were hired.
    Is it though?

    Do you have evidence that just as many felons bought guns after the Brady Bill passed as before?

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