View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It was enforced. It prevented them from buying a gun.
    No.... An attepmt by a felon to buy a gun is itself a felony.
    Thus, for every felon stopped, there is a felony to prosecute.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No.... An attepmt by a felon to buy a gun is itself a felony.
    Thus, for every felon stopped, there is a felony to prosecute.
    But it still stopped millions of felons from buying guns. That is the point of the law. To say the law isn't being fully enforced (which is debatable) does not in the least mean it is ineffective in doing what it is supposed to do - keeping guns out of the hands of those who aren't supposed to have them.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But it still stopped millions of felons from buying guns.
    Now its "millions'? Support this.

    That is the point of the law. To say the law isn't being fully enforced (which is debatable) does not in the least mean it is ineffective in doing what it is supposed to do
    Regardless of intent, there's no sense in having a law if you arent going to enforce it.

    Never mind that background check is a form of prior restraint and therefore violates the Constitution.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Now its "millions'? Support this.
    Oops, I misspoke.

    Regardless of intent, there's no sense in having a law if you arent going to enforce it.
    It IS being enforced.

    If a cop stands at a corner and stops people from jaywalking, yet hands out no tickets for those who start to jaywalk, that's still enforcing the law, and it is serving an essential public safety purpose, which is the intent of the law.

    Never mind that background check is a form of prior restraint and therefore violates the Constitution.
    "Prior restraint"? I've never heard that term used to describe anything but freedom of the press.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oops, I misspoke.
    I'd say. How many felons have been stopped?

    It IS being enforced.
    It is?
    What % of the felons denied a sale have been prosecuted?

    "Prior restraint"? I've never heard that term used to describe anything but freedom of the press.
    Prior restraint is a state restriction on the exercise of a right based on the possibility that you might be doing something illegal.

    Background checks are a state restriction on the exercise of the right to arms based on the possibility that you might be doing something illegal.

    Thus, prior restraint.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Prior restraint is a state restriction on the exercise of a right based on the possibility that you might be doing something illegal.

    Background checks are a state restriction on the exercise of the right to arms based on the possibility that you might be doing something illegal.

    Thus, prior restraint.
    Careful Goobie, he thinks each right has individual sub sets of rules for some reason, you might confuse him with the simplicity that is rights.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It is?
    What % of the felons denied a sale have been prosecuted?
    It is being enforced by stopping the sales, like I just said.

    Prior restraint is a state restriction on the exercise of a right based on the possibility that you might be doing something illegal.

    Background checks are a state restriction on the exercise of the right to arms based on the possibility that you might be doing something illegal.

    Thus, prior restraint.
    Interesting. Thanks. You might have a point.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Careful Goobie, he thinks each right has individual sub sets of rules for some reason, you might confuse him with the simplicity that is rights.
    Careful, LMR, your hand might get bitten when you try to put words in someone else's mouth.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It is being enforced by stopping the sales, like I just said.
    But there's more to the law than just stopping sales -- it specifies a penalty.

    Interesting. Thanks. You might have a point.
    Happens every now and again.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    But there's more to the law than just stopping sales -- it specifies a penalty.
    Yes. And like many other laws, they aren't always prosecuted. Just like my jaywalking example. Usually the penalty is there to handle serious cases. Prosecuting every single one of them would clog up the courts. Prosecutors have discretion.

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