View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    reality sucks doesn't it

    a background check that is not enforced when someone is caught trying to buy a gun illegally is a waste of time
    What does a past or current law, improperly enforced, have to do with my hypothetical idea as to what a proper law would be?

    And reality has always sucked.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What does a past or current law, improperly enforced, have to do with my hypothetical idea as to what a proper law would be?

    And reality has always sucked.
    Hypothetical?

    background checks are already the law of the land



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Hypothetical?

    background checks are already the law of the land
    But my ideas as to how they should be applied are hypothetical.

    Unless somewhere things are done exactly as I described...
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Only in that to avoid the background check, they would have to find someone selling weapons illegally, which, depending on the situation, might be more difficult than walking into the local gun store.
    Yes.

    Interesting.

    I am not contending that a background check would keep felons from acquiring a gun, as that would be a blatantly false contention.

    I am contending that a background check would accomplish the following:
    • Prevent convicted felons from purchasing a firearm from a legal vendor of such.
    • Protect said legal vendor from potential lawsuits leveled against them by persons who were harmed by a firearm purchased in their store by a convicted felon.
    • Prevent convicted felons (except the really stupid ones) from attempting to purchase weapons from legal vendors of such, as they know it would be impossible, due to said background check.

    That said, a potential positive (a bit of a stretch, perhaps) would be that if there were not background checks allowed, cops could stake out gun shops and arrest a convicted felon who purchased a firearm there...


    You know we already do that, right? It's called NICS (nat'l instant-check system). Been in place for quite some time now. Proven effects on gun crime to this point: None. Very very few prosecutions of felons caught attempting to buy from a legal dealer, either.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Eh, I don't have the patience. Most of those things came from my legal and poli sci requirements in college, fortunately I had phenomenal instructors who not only facilitated knowledge but critical thinking skills.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I would support registration of weapons and especially bans on certain weapons, unless people here are genuinely ok with American citizens running around with warheads, nukes, or anti-aircraft guns.
    I'm ok with having those things, I just don't want the rest of you to have them.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you being stupid again? it prevented nothing.
    Stupid? I was just repeating what YOU said: it prevented ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND OR MORE FELONS FROM BUYING GUNS.

    Was that stupid?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    reality sucks doesn't it

    a background check that is not enforced when someone is caught trying to buy a gun illegally is a waste of time
    It was enforced. It prevented them from buying a gun.

    Also, I did some searching and saw several references to hundreds of prosecutions under the Brady Law, not 12. I heard your 12 number a loooong time ago. I think it's way way out of date.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I was thinking of a database containing information about all violent criminals (I assume something along those lines exists already), which the ID of the potential firearm purchaser could be quickly compared with to ensure a violent criminal was not trying to legally purchase a firearm.

    How could that database be used against those who legally own firearms?

    All a database of that sort would do is force criminals to purchase weapons from illegal sources.

    All it would do is make it more difficult for a criminal to acquire a weapon.
    Background checks, when required by the government, are a form of prior restraint. Constitutionally, prior restraint is a no-no.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, but it prevented ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND OR MORE FELONS FROM BUYING GUNS.

    That was the point of the law, to prevent ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND OR MORE FELONS FROM BUYING GUNS.
    Last I heard, it was ~100,000 stops. Since 1994.
    Not all - not even most - were felons.
    Many were due to an error of some sort and the purchase was later allowed.

    And of those felons that were stopped - how many were prosecuted?

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