View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    This is also just someone's opinion.
    Do you know what the difference is between an opinion and a law? Would it help if I explained it to you?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Do you know what the difference is between an opinion and a law? Would it help if I explained it to you?
    advice

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    fools don't heed it



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    advice

    wise men don't need it

    fools don't heed it
    Speaking of fools, I'm still waiting to hear jacksbrat's plan to take all the guns away from bad guys.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Speaking of fools, I'm still waiting to hear jacksbrat's plan to take all the guns away from bad guys.
    I think he is looking for some fairy dust and a magic wand

    maybe he can walk down the streets of watts, south side of Chicago, the south Bronx and Over-The-Rhine in Cincinnati dressed in a medieval outfit banging a gong and yelling

    Bring out your guns

    Bring out your guns



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Kind of. It's actually willful endangerment on face if malicious intent can't be proven. The history of where rights end is pretty interesting though, and the thing most people don't seem to understand is that rights all pretty much end in the same way; Time Place Manner.

    For instance, owning an automatic.....no problem; firing it in a crowded theater; major problem. It's the same as yelling fire, if there is no clear and present danger in doing so, such as in a park.....it's harder to prove that the right has ended, but in a crowded building......you cause a stampede and you bet you're then liable criminally and potentially civilly for all damages caused. Probably though, my favorite two tests of the right are fighting words and incitement to riot, but hey, those will come up later if the attempted gun grabbers need more debate to realize they lost.
    Very nicely put!

    You should go into law.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Very nicely put!

    You should go into law.
    Eh, I don't have the patience. Most of those things came from my legal and poli sci requirements in college, fortunately I had phenomenal instructors who not only facilitated knowledge but critical thinking skills.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your argument hinges on the notion is that there should be an equivalent restriction for every amendment Not every action has equivalent reactions. That is a fallacy.
    Show this to be true.

    All rights are restricted for the same reason - to protect the rights of others - and all Fundamental Constitutional rights are held to the same standard when considering the constitutionality of those restrcitions.

    These principles apply to the 1st just as they do the 2nd, and so whatever practices and principles regarding the former apply equall to the latter.

    And so, your 2nd amendment rights, just as your first amendment rights, may be restricted once they reach the point that they cause harm or place someone in immediate, clear and present, danger.

    So, again -- what's the equivelant to yelling fire in a theater? Libel? Slander?

    The funny thing is, these questions are exceptionally easy to answer; your refusal to do so denotes a desire to not actually have the conversation regarding same because you know it leads to an inevitable conclusion that you simply do not like.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-07-10 at 11:41 AM.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    Oh, you mean like if say Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh say something like Obama is coming to get your guns, or that the government is stealing your money, or taking away your freedoms, and someone flies a plane into or blows up a federal building because of it? Yea, I get it.
    No, you do not.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    False choice. We can restrict guns from getting in the hands of the bad guys more than we do now, without restricting them from getting into the hands of good guys.
    How, exactly?

    See, I will fully support any and every gun control law that will keep guns from criminals and not infringe on the rights of the law-abiding.

    Thing is, I have yet to see one.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Very nicely put!

    You should go into law.
    People who can think and make sense cannot go into law.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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