View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So until that mythical time when guns are all gone we'll just have to put up with armed criminals killing law-abiding unarmed people at will, I guess.

    Brilliant idea.
    False choice. We can restrict guns from getting in the hands of the bad guys more than we do now, without restricting them from getting into the hands of good guys.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    False choice. We can restrict guns from getting in the hands of the bad guys more than we do now, without restricting them from getting into the hands of good guys.
    How precisely would we do that?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    How precisely would we do that?
    I'll let others get into the detailed proposals. Sorry to punt but I can't get too dragged into this one.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I'll let others get into the detailed proposals. Sorry to punt but I can't get too dragged into this one.
    Have you never heard of arms dealers before? It doesn't matter what you try, there is a black market for everything, drugs are illegal but guess what, they are everywhere. Guns for certain people are illegal and guess what.....they have them. So what exactly the **** do you think will eliminate the black market?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Have you never heard of arms dealers before? It doesn't matter what you try, there is a black market for everything, drugs are illegal but guess what, they are everywhere. Guns for certain people are illegal and guess what.....they have them. So what exactly the **** do you think will eliminate the black market?
    You're using the same false choice.

    By your logic, we should give up on all laws, since they can be broken sometimes.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    This is the reason I believe we need to start getting some control over how many guns are out there flooding the market. I believe the safety of the people is pushed aside for the profits of the gun runners and they're using the constitution and scare tactics to push their product.
    The funny thing about the United States is that we're free to pursue happiness and do as we please as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others, that is the common limit of every single right, so no matter what you think, the right exists. No matter what your opinion is of what should be, the constitution exists, don't like it too bad.
    If every gun sold was licensed to an owner, and some responsibility taken for owning a gun, it would eventually become more difficult for violent criminals, gang members, and burgulers to get their hands on one. If we would have started this years ago, we'd all be much safer now.
    False throughout, and I have a right to own a gun, not a priveledge, I do not need a license to own firearms, and am not required to register them because it is a right, not a priveledge.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're using the same false choice.

    By your logic, we should give up on all laws, since they can be broken sometimes.
    Laws cannot legally infringe upon rights, therefore the only choice is to default against laws which are in direct violation of the constitution unless they are necessary and proper, which means they must have a provable need, provide a provable and undeniable utility, and they must not infringe upon the rights of those who are in good standing as citizens. Your idea of an option fails on all fronts.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Laws cannot legally infringe upon rights, therefore the only choice is to default against laws which are in direct violation of the constitution unless they are necessary and proper, which means they must have a provable need, provide a provable and undeniable utility, and they must not infringe upon the rights of those who are in good standing as citizens. Your idea of an option fails on all fronts.
    I think that's the point
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Laws cannot legally infringe upon rights, therefore the only choice is to default against laws which are in direct violation of the constitution unless they are necessary and proper, which means they must have a provable need, provide a provable and undeniable utility, and they must not infringe upon the rights of those who are in good standing as citizens. Your idea of an option fails on all fronts.
    Oh, well that settles it.

    No, lots and lots of options have been ruled constitutional.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    This is the reason I believe we need to start getting some control over how many guns are out there flooding the market. I believe the safety of the people is pushed aside for the profits of the gun runners and they're using the constitution and scare tactics to push their product. If every gun sold was licensed to an owner, and some responsibility taken for owning a gun, it would eventually become more difficult for violent criminals, gang members, and burgulers to get their hands on one. If we would have started this years ago, we'd all be much safer now.
    LOL is that hilarious

    Every ounce of crack sold in the USA is banned with a five year minimum federal sentence for anything over a few rocks. And its real hard to get crack

    Machine guns are heavily regulated. Any machine gun made after 1986 (may 19 to be exact) cannot be owned by non governmental agents unless you are a Class three dealer or TItle II manufacturer with government contracts. And yet gangs have no problems getting those things

    Your idiotic scheme is designed to ckeep honest people from getting guns not criminals.

    I think I will pass on your suggestions since you clearly know little about the subject

    People who are willing to do 20 years for bankrobbery, 25 years for drive by shootings and life for murder aren't going to worry about gun bans, gun laws, gun restrictions, licenses etc. with 300 Million guns in America, most of which are (thankfully) not registered and with the Government (federal state and local) buying hundreds of thousands each year and losing tens of thousands each year, the supply of guns to the people we most want to stop from having them is unlimited.



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