View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You dont have to have any relationship whatsoever to the miliita in order to exercise the right to arms under the protection of the 2nd.
    Just checking.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    They relate in general. They are reasonable restrictions. There's no one-to-one correspondence with speech restrictions, nor should there be.
    If you're going to argue that certain examples of how free speech can be restricted illustrate how the right to arms can be restricted, then you have to compare similar circumstances for the comparison to have any meaning.

    Libel and slander are illegal, and do not fall under the protection of the 1st, because they directly cause harm to someone else.

    How is owning cannon an example of that?

    Yelling fire in a theater is illegal, and does not fall under the protection of the 1st, because it places others in a condition of clear, present, immediate danger.

    How is owning cannon an example of that?


    Guns are not allowed in courtooms, and the restrcition on same does not violate the 2nd amendment, because, like free speech, you do no thave an unfettered or unrestrcited right to exercise -any- given right on public property.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-05-10 at 04:29 PM.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Guns are not allowed in courtooms, and the restrcition on same does not violate the 2nd amendment, because, like free speech, you do no thave an unfettered or unrestrcited right to exercise -any- given right on public property.
    Thanks for doing it for me.

    I don't know about the cannon, but it wasn't my point in the first place, and I'm just not interested enough in it to pursue it further, Sorry.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Thanks for doing it for me.
    Well, OK, but I'm not sure how this means anything, especially when trying to create an argument that supports restricting simple ownership/possession/use on something other than public property.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Well, OK, but I'm not sure how this means anything, especially when trying to create an argument that supports restricting simple ownership/possession/use on something other than public property.
    But you think it's okay to restrict gun possession on public property?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But you think it's okay to restrict gun possession on public property?
    Sorry -- misunderstood yor question.

    Every bit as much as it is OK to restrict free speech, for the same reasons, under the same conditions and with the same argument.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-05-10 at 05:14 PM.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I





    You can't teach the ignorant
    Obviously not, you still support gun control when all the evidence cuts against it as a crime fighting tool



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I really don't know how to say this without being rude...but you are psychotic
    Nothing screams out louder that you lost then psychobabbling such a silly insult. Listen kid, I have been in the gun control debate for more than thirty years including slapping Sarah Brady's BS so hard she told then Mayor David Mann she'd never appear in Cincinnati again if I were still there. I have dealt with Howard Metzenbaum, Nelson "Pete Shields" and other hard core gun haters and yes, everything I said is true. All of them have admitted at one time or another that crime control is not what motivates them but rather banning lawful gun ownership. And yes, many of them want to pass onerous laws hoping honest gun owners would become "technical" criminals justifying confiscation of all their guns

    I note the psychobabbling hoplophobic left has already decreed that gun ownership is psychotic, especially when the ownership is based on a desire to hunt or defend oneself

    so insult away kid, I've dealt with the top professionals on your side of the aisle without breaking a sweat and someone like you isn't going to ruffle my feathers.



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Gun haters are haters pure and simple. They hate freedom, and they especially hate people who don't buy into their idiotic world view
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    Nothing screams out louder that you lost then psychobabbling such a silly insult.
    You dish it out pretty good.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You dish it out pretty good.
    Thank you

    much obliged I am



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