View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    The word "regulated" actually appears in the text of the second amendment...
    ... and refers to the militia, not the right to arms.
    What's your point?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    ... and refers to the militia, not the right to arms.
    What's your point?
    Which militia? The one you have to be a member of to own a gun?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Should we make a difference between:
    collecting historical rifels and guns
    hunting weapons
    guns for self protection

    weapons for crime and terrorist activity. Here resonalbe conservatives should be against this last issue, please.
    The term used in the amendment, is "arms".
    This termas used in the context of said amendment, covers any class of firearm you care to mention.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Permits need to be issued for things like mass protests or parades on public property, so as to ensure the police authorities can be adequately prepared to streamline daily commerce.
    Yes. Time, place, manner. Public property.

    This speaks in no way to the constitutionality of licensing simple ownership or possession. For this to have any menaing -- that is, to argue apples and apples -- the license to exercise the right to keep and bear arms would have to be in a similar circumstance -- that is, for use on public property.

    Assault weapons (including military brand sharpshooters) should require psychological testing and licensing and be subject to temporary bans under the advisement of local police authorities.
    There's absolutely no sound argument for this, or its constitutionality.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There are already reasonable infringements on your 1st amendment rights. Try screaming fire in a theater, try speaking untruths about a person, try saying you want to kill somebody etc. You will get sued, fined and a few knocks on your door. This poll is a false dichotomy.
    What, exactly, is the 2nd amendment equivelant to yelling fire in a a theater?
    What, exactly, is the 2nd amendment equivelant to slander? Libel?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What, exactly, is the 2nd amendment equivelant to yelling fire in a a theater?
    What, exactly, is the 2nd amendment equivelant to slander? Libel?
    Owning a cannon?

    Walking into a courtroom with a sidearm?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You've argued that there should be the same kind of measures regulating free speech as there are for guns. This is ridiculous and would be laughed out of a court room in every state.
    Based on what, exactly?
    All of the restrictions on free speech revolve around the point where someone else is harmed or placed in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger.
    How/why is this not a legitimate standard for restrictions on the 2nd?

    The reality is that there are reasonable restrictions and 'infringements' on the use of free speech.
    The reality is that any restriction on same is a restriction on something that does not fall under 'free pseech'. For any similar restrictions to be applicable to the 2nd, the actions in question would have to similarly fall outside the right to arms.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Owning a cannon?
    Walking into a courtroom with a sidearm?
    Which are these supposed to relate to, and how, exactly, do they relate?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Which militia? The one you have to be a member of to own a gun?
    You dont have to have any relationship whatsoever to the miliita in order to exercise the right to arms under the protection of the 2nd.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Which are these supposed to relate to, and how, exactly, do they relate?
    They relate in general. They are reasonable restrictions. There's no one-to-one correspondence with speech restrictions, nor should there be.

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