View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    The Second Amendment reads: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    The word "regulated" actually appears in the text of the second amendment, but yet the gun freaks and gun makers and sellers say it is unconstitutional to "regulate" anything when it comes to guns. Once more, I believe a few on the fringe are leading the country around by the nose.
    Let's see if I understand your "thinking".

    since the constitution's main body has no evidence of the federal government being delegated the power to regulate firearms, you find that the term well regulated militia is that delegation

    In other words, you FEEL that one of the amendments is where the founders decided to transfer inalienable rights of the people and the several states to the federal government

    do you realize how incredibly stupid that is? but that is clearly what you are saying

    FDR even realized that so he used the commerce clause to "find" such powers

    equally dishonest



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This ridiculous response makes it pretty clear you did not win any debate contests. You would be laughed out of one with this stuff. You're committing the lamest of logical fallacies. Pathetic.
    You are psychobabbling again. You appear to be nothing more than a troll



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are psychobabbling again. You appear to be nothing more than a troll
    Bing! Give that man a cigar, he figured it out.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    I shall ignore it until it matures or gains wisdom



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Remember Waco Texas? I heard those nuts order all sorts of military weapons things like a bazuka which UPS delivered.

    Should we make a difference between:
    collecting historical rifels and guns
    hunting weapons
    guns for self protection

    weapons for crime and terrorist activity. Here resonalbe conservatives should be against this last issue, please.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Remember Waco Texas? I heard those nuts order all sorts of military weapons things like a bazuka which UPS delivered.

    Should we make a difference between:
    collecting historical rifels and guns
    hunting weapons
    guns for self protection

    weapons for crime and terrorist activity. Here resonalbe conservatives should be against this last issue, please.
    The distinction is already made. You can't own a "bazuka" (its bazooka, or in modern terms infantry missle launcher) legally without at least a special Class III license, which requires extensive background checks, storage requirements, and other hoops to jump through. Very very few people legally own such things.

    Oddly enough those who are willing to break the law anyway rarely have a problem getting what they want, as long as they have the cash. Laws restricting the law-abiding have little or no effect on the habitual criminal.

    There was also far more to Waco than you are probably aware. The Feds could have picked up the leader of the Branch Davidians any time they wanted, PEACEFULLY. He was known to go into town alone regularly; he had previously responded to local law enforcement requests to come in for an interview by obeying the request and coming in willingly. There was no need for the dramatic and violent raid that sparked the initial gunfight and tragic ending, other than an attempt by certain agencies to intimidate other similar groups. Didn't work out so well for them; they got their arses kicked in the first engagement, and got a black eye with the public in the final tragedy that still hasn't faded.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Remember Waco Texas? I heard those nuts order all sorts of military weapons things like a bazuka which UPS delivered.

    Should we make a difference between:
    collecting historical rifels and guns
    hunting weapons
    guns for self protection

    weapons for crime and terrorist activity. Here resonalbe conservatives should be against this last issue, please.
    I don't know how many firearms you have ever purchased. In addition to me buying a rather large amount over the last 30 years, I used to represent major league gun dealers, and one Title II maker (Machine Guns). So I have seen probably 8,000 or more transactions involving firearms and I have handled far more than that given I grew up in a home where my father hunted all over the world and had been a top level collegiate rifle competitor and skeet champion


    And try as I might, none of the weapons I have seen have labels on them or the containers they are shipped in saying "For Collection only" or

    WARNING THIS FIREARM IS TO BE USED FOR JIHAD

    For years in the USA, the most popular police weapon was a Smith and Wesson 38 revolver. Guess what was one of the most popular weapons used by criminals? Yep, a SW 38 revolver

    Right now the Glock is the most popular police weapon and yep, lots of gang-bangers are packing glocks
    Last edited by TurtleDude; 04-04-10 at 11:18 AM.



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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Permits need to be issued for things like mass protests or parades on public property, so as to ensure the police authorities can be adequately prepared to streamline daily commerce. Courts and congresses should have the ability to penalize 'obvious' abuses of the right (aka, Phelps family), by which I mean, each expression of free speech by its nature exhibits a level of decorum appropriate to its kind and breaches in this decorum to the point of undermining its claim to being that variety of expression can be construed as a misrepresentation of their actual agenda, which is a form of slander.

    Assault weapons (including military brand sharpshooters) should require psychological testing and licensing and be subject to temporary bans under the advisement of local police authorities.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 04-04-10 at 01:25 PM.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    There are already reasonable infringements on your 1st amendment rights. Try screaming fire in a theater, try speaking untruths about a person, try saying you want to kill somebody etc. You will get sued, fined and a few knocks on your door. This poll is a false dichotomy.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyhill View Post
    Remember Waco Texas? I heard those nuts order all sorts of military weapons things like a bazuka which UPS delivered.

    Should we make a difference between:
    collecting historical rifels and guns
    hunting weapons
    guns for self protection

    weapons for crime and terrorist activity. Here resonalbe conservatives should be against this last issue, please.
    Just goes to show that gun control is fueled largely by gross ignorance.

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