View Poll Results: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights?

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  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 1st amendment rights

    6 15.79%
  • A license/permit required to exercise certain or all 2nd amendment rights

    22 57.89%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your books and other 1st amendment related things

    2 5.26%
  • Registration requirement of some or all of your firearms and other weapons.

    30 78.95%
  • A ban on certain books,religions, what the press can report and etc.

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain weapons.

    24 63.16%
  • A ban on certain individuals from exercising 1st amendment rights

    3 7.89%
  • A ban on certain individuals form exercising 2nd amendment rights

    17 44.74%
  • A total ban on 1st amendment rights

    2 5.26%
  • A total ban on 2nd amendment rights

    3 7.89%
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So pedophiles should get all their rights back, including the right to work anywhere they want, and the right to privacy (i.e. not being listed on a public registry)?
    You don't have a right to work anywhere you want. Where the hell would you get that idea from? The employer has all the say in the matter.

    And of course everyone has the right to secure themselves, their effects, their property, and their papers from unreasonable search and seizure. But their crimes are all matter of public record. I wouldn't allow the government to database the list; but it wouldn't stop a private company from doing so.
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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You don't have a right to work anywhere you want. Where the hell would you get that idea from? The employer has all the say in the matter.
    I am speaking of legal or judicial restrictions on employment.

    And of course everyone has the right to secure themselves, their effects, their property, and their papers from unreasonable search and seizure. But their crimes are all matter of public record.
    Yes, but only sex offenders are required to reveal their current addresses and pictures for a special website in most states AFTER they complete their punishment.

    I wouldn't allow the government to database the list; but it wouldn't stop a private company from doing so.
    So do you oppose sex offender websites run by the government?

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    These are time/place.manner restrctiuons and apply to just that event, and only so long as that event is on public property.

    For this argument to apply toi guns, it has to be applied in the same manner -- that is, for when you want to use a gun on publis property.
    Use a gun? I hope you're talking about hunting?

    Because if you bring a gun to a rally with the specific intent to use it...


    In the rest of your response you're reading the second amendment through a keyhole... Gun laws have been upheld, gun laws have been struck down. The ones on the books right now are sometimes not being enforced--the gun show loophole is a joke. 400 Mayors have asked the federal government to step in a track guns that cross state lines.... Close the loopholes and crack down the illegal traffic of illegal guns.

    No one is taking away any of your precious rights. I'm sure you got a gun for each hand and more ammo than you can shake a stick at. But if you decide to sell one of your guns for some quick cash to a friend who sells it to someone who uses it in crime in which my daughter is shot... I want the cops kicking in your door...

    You and your overzealous misreading of the 2nd amendment can be damned. I want every bullet you buy to have a mark on it that we can trance back to you. If you shoot at tin cans and deer all day-- fine. No problem.

    But if one of those bullets ends up in my wife while she's standing online at the bank... I want your ass hauled in to answer question so we can catch the person who did it. Get it. What's so hard to understand about that?

    The life of every innocent person that has died from a gunshot is more important than you having to fill out paperwork!! Or buy a gun safe, or follow some rules.

    Stop pretending that guns are just like words or religion or books.

    Public safety vastly outweighs your inconvenience when buying that new model glock. Fill out the paperwork and go blast a cap in a rabbit.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    And people will blame the government for allowing him to have his right to bear arms back. I'd side with those people; if a man/woman has murdered, and has been convicted of such, they have forfeited their right to bear arms.
    I think most reasonable people would blame the government or the judge who gave that individual a slap on the wrist.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Not sure what the point is, but I'll play along:





    You need a permit to assemble in a public square? Why? Public safety outweighs your right to hold a protest anytime you want. Neo-nazis and the Westboro family cult are rarely denied permit. The city just wants to have the crowd control in place. No big deal. Get your permit and go scream your head off..
    The permit is over use of property, not the protest.


    Gun science and gun culture has changed in the last 200 years, has it not?
    Guns have changed alot since the first hand canons in Europe in 1300s to the guns our founding forefathers used. They didn't have computers, Televisions, phones, mass printing devices, Mormons, Scientologist and many other things back in 1700s, but yet no one is going we should required licenses or registrations for those things So the technology argument is not valid.



    In the interest of public safety, keeping track of handguns so police can track them after a crime has been committed etc.
    How many crimes have been solved this way?What are the statistics of criminals stupid enough to register their firearms? Registrations do not prevent crime nor do they significantly help police solve crimes and registrations are nothing more than a prelude to confiscation. So there is no justifiable reason to require registrations.




    Not sure what this pertains too. Amazon.com keeps pretty good track of what you're reading. Why do you think they always suggest books you might like.
    I do not buy books online. I pay for everything with cash.



    When a certain weapon becomes a threat to public safety. Explosives obviously should be regulated and tracked.
    Any weapon is a threat to the public.So I fail to see how the public safety thing is even an issue.


    No. Can't think of any exceptions.

    What about someone who has committed treason, libel/slander or made threats against someone?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I am speaking of legal or judicial restrictions on employment.
    Background checks are common in jobs, and this sort of thing would come up. I don't see the need for government in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, but only sex offenders are required to reveal their current addresses and pictures for a special website in most states AFTER they complete their punishment.
    Much of that is pretty suspect in what they do to sex offenders. There was a place in FL which basically made them live under an overpass. That type of **** is BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So do you oppose sex offender websites run by the government?
    Yes, the government doesn't need to be compiling the database. Everything that needs to be known is part of the public record and a private company can do it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Background checks are common in jobs, and this sort of thing would come up. I don't see the need for government in this case.
    So you oppose any judges imposing restrictions on where a pedophile can work?

    Much of that is pretty suspect in what they do to sex offenders. There was a place in FL which basically made them live under an overpass. That type of **** is BS.



    Yes, the government doesn't need to be compiling the database. Everything that needs to be known is part of the public record and a private company can do it.
    As long as you're consistent.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you oppose any judges imposing restrictions on where a pedophile can work?
    I'm pretty sure it said exactly that. A business will be liable for their employees. Any business which deals directly with children will not want to hire pedophiles. Since their criminal record is open public record, a background check will find this. The same would go with any State licensing necessary to start such businesses. It's all pretty well taken care of before hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    As long as you're consistent.
    I always am.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I always am.
    That's a good thing, unless you're consistently bad.

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    Re: What are reasonable restrictions/infringements on 1st and second amendment rights

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But if the person in question kills someone with a gun after serving his sentence, that could easily have been avoided, by simply not allowing him to procure that firearm in the first place.
    how you gonna accomplish that?

    someone who is willing to kill is going to be respectful of a gun law?

    OH-do you think a ban on guns is gonna work better than a total ban on crack or speed?



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