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Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

  • Yes, this particular young man is a perfect example

    Votes: 12 20.3%

  • No, never.

    Votes: 31 52.5%

  • The justice system needs another alternative for extremely young, potentially dangerous offenders

    Votes: 11 18.6%

  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 5 8.5%
  • Total voters
    59
jallman said:
No, it isn't the same thing. They have guidelines that are applied stictly and logically. There is a process they go through to determine culpability.

You are talking about blurring those guidelines or erasing them altogether by making the age limitations on adult and juvenile justice completely arbitrary. That is not how the law and justice work.
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And its the same process for these two kids and their very different murders...
 
Sentinel said:
And its the same process for these two kids and their very different murders...
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Except that you are ignoring the very first standard which is whether they are adults or not. And clearly, a 10, 11, or 12 year old is not.
 
Partisan said:
Good, it will serve as a warning to other young would be killers that they can no longer hide behind their youth to escape punishment for their misdeeds....;)
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Exactly how many other 11 year olds do you think follow stories like this in the paper or on the news? Your bloodlust directed at a child is disgusting.

It leads one to wonder who is more disturbed...
 
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jallman said:
Exactly how many other 11 year olds do you think follow stories like this in the paper or on the news? Your bloodlust directed at a child is disgusting.

It leads one to wonder who is more disturbed...
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Hmmm, when did they stop teaching 'current events' in school?....:confused:
Not to mention online, you tube, etc.....;)
 
Partisan said:
Hmmm, when did they stop teaching 'current events' in school?....
Not to mention online, you tube, etc.....;
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Current events was never taught until high school. Since when does an 11 year old take current events.

Oh, let me put that in something you'll understand. ;);):2wave:;);)

Better now?

Further, you still did not address my question: how many 11 year olds do you think are going to follow this story in the news?

Your demented attacks on this boy's civil rights are seriously cause for concern. That we have anyone who claims to be a conservative american this ignorant of civics is a testament to a failing education system.
 
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Partisan said:
Hmmm, when did they stop teaching 'current events' in school?....:confused:
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A better question is "When did they start teaching current events in school, primarily, when did they start teaching it in grade school." because that was never a course I had

Not in preschool, grade school, high school, college, or grad school. And that's a lot of school.
 
Tucker Case said:
A better question is "When did they start teaching current events in school, primarily, when did they start teaching it in grade school." because that was never a course I had

Not in preschool, grade school, high school, college, or grad school. And that's a lot of school.
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It was a class in high school for us but it was given the same respect as replacing physics with geology. It was a "gimme A" that jocks took to remain on the football team instead of taking a real history course.
 
jallman said:
It was a class in high school for us but it was given the same respect as replacing physics with geology. It was a "gimme A" that jocks took to remain on the football team instead of taking a real history course.
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Ah, I was a jock, but I also took real classes for the most part.
 
Tucker Case said:
A better question is "When did they start teaching current events in school, primarily, when did they start teaching it in grade school." because that was never a course I had

Not in preschool, grade school, high school, college, or grad school. And that's a lot of school.
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That's funny, because my son has it every day as a part of 'social studies' class......;)
 
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Partisan said:
That's funny, because my son has it every day as a part of 'social studies' class......;)
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Weird. When I had social studies it focused on the various branches of the social sciences and humanities.

What do they do now? Watch Fox and Friends?
 
jallman said:
Yes. I do. I fail to see how that is relevant to this discussion.
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It would have explained how you would have had no knowledge of current events being part of the school curriculum......;)
I suppose different school systems have different agendas.....
 
Partisan said:
It would have explained how you would have had no knowledge of current events being part of the school curriculum......;)
I suppose different school systems have different agendas.....
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I suppose you were grasping at straws to establish some relevance.
 
Partisan said:
It would have explained how you would have had no knowledge of current events being part of the school curriculum......;)
I suppose different school systems have different agendas.....
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Wonderful that state's rights thing, isn't it? :lol:


Seriously, though, I was not aware that current events, such as showing children the news related to accused murderers, would be part of a social studies curriculum.

Do they also show the kids info on the latest, up to the minute info on sexual assaults and domestic battery, or is it limited to violent homicide?
 
Tucker Case said:
Wonderful that state's rights thing, isn't it? :lol:


Seriously, though, I was not aware that current events, such as showing children the news related to accused murderers, would be part of a social studies curriculum.

Do they also show the kids info on the latest, up to the minute info on sexual assaults and domestic battery, or is it limited to violent homicide?
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I hardly think any social studies curriculum is going to leverage a story like this to impress upon 11 year old children that their government will place them in cages like animals for being naughty. Especially not at a time when we are trying to impress upon children that police and authority figures are who you go to when you need to report something bad happening to you or your peers.
 
Tucker Case said:
Wonderful that state's rights thing, isn't it? :lol:


Seriously, though, I was not aware that current events, such as showing children the news related to accused murderers, would be part of a social studies curriculum.

Do they also show the kids info on the latest, up to the minute info on sexual assaults and domestic battery, or is it limited to violent homicide?
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Have you considered the possibility that exposure to news in general, could possibly lead to it being discovered/.....
Especially witha headline that says: 11 YEAR OLD TO BE TRIED AS ADULT?....
 
jallman said:
I hardly think any social studies curriculum is going to leverage a story like this to impress upon 11 year old children that their government will place them in cages like animals for being naughty. Especially not at a time when we are trying to impress upon children that police and authority figures are who you go to when you need to report something bad happening to you or your peers.
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I've read through that three or four times, and you know what, I'm not too sure about that.

Some of the authoritarian types seem to feel that fear is the best tool for subjugation.
 
Partisan said:
Have you considered the possibility that exposure to news in general, could possibly lead to it being discovered/.....
Especially witha headline that says: 11 YEAR OLD TO BE TRIED AS ADULT?....
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But what does that have to do with school curriculum?
 
Tucker Case said:
I've read through that three or four times, and you know what, I'm not too sure about that.

Some of the authoritarian types seem to feel that fear is the best tool for subjugation.
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And then we wonder why kids act out in negative ways. :shrug:
 
Tucker Case said:
But what does that have to do with school curriculum?
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It does not have to specifically about that, there are many other sources of information....
I'm saying that a national news item could be viewed by a child as a part of his current events assignment.....:roll:
 
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Partisan said:
Now you're just being dishonest about it....
It does not have to specifically about that, there are many other sources of information....
I'm saying that a national news item could be viewed by a child as a part of his current events assignment.....:roll:
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Wait, you invent a scenario from out of thin air, i.e. you are essentially saying "this could be something that a child might possibly potentially just out of pure raw chance encounter while performing a hypotehtical current events assignment that may or may not ever happen but just for the sake of my argument let's pretend it actually does happen like all the time, even though I've completely made it up right at this second but you know it could so totally happen maybe.", and I'm the one being dishonest? :lol:


Could a child encounter it? Sure. Is it at all likely? Not really.
 
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