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Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

Should an 11 year old ever be tried as an adult?

  • Yes, this particular young man is a perfect example

    Votes: 12 20.3%
  • No, never.

    Votes: 31 52.5%
  • The justice system needs another alternative for extremely young, potentially dangerous offenders

    Votes: 11 18.6%
  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 5 8.5%

  • Total voters
    59
That's just sick.:naughty

While I do not believe that our system is sick, I do believe that many improvements are possible. The parents,if any, apparently did not act in a responsible manner..
 
but he is a young, violent criminal. should we segregate them all? there's no good answer here.
He's mostly likely very, very significantly younger than most youthful, post-pubescent offenders, who would prey upon him, and grossly abuse his vulnerability.
 
He's mostly likely very, very significantly younger than most youthful, post-pubescent offenders, who would prey upon him, and grossly abuse his vulnerability.
that may be true. it seems pennsylvania law doesn't have many options here. i would interested to see some psychiatric reports.


from everything i've seen, the kid very calmly shot her and then went to school. premeditated.
 
Treating an 11 year old as an adult is the result of a system bent on punishment and little else.
The easy solution is prevention:
More strict gun control laws
Better people/more power to child protective services
Better psychologists

For now, we have many victims:
the people(high and higher taxes, and fear)
the slain
and the killer
He may rot in hell(our prison system):(
 
While I do not believe that our system is sick, I do believe that many improvements are possible. The parents,if any, apparently did not act in a responsible manner..

That's really the crux of the matter to me. The reason minors are treated as minors is because there is an expectation that parents have more responsibility over the minor's behavior than the minor himself. Where do the adults in his life have to start taking some responsibility.

We aren't talking about a 16 year old with the strength and force of will of a grown man. We're talking about an 11 year old. A tween.
 
Our system is based on so much hypocrisy.

We don't let children under 18 view "adult films" or smoke cigarettes because he believe their minds are not mature enough to handle it.

Hell, we don't even let "adults" drink alcohol or gamble under they hit the age of 21 for the same reasons.

Yet...he believe that children as young as 11 should be treated the same as adults in the criminal justice system.

Where is the logic in that?

You are aware that the prison system has never cured anyone of anything (except possibly heterosexuality) in all of it's history? And that is not what prison is all about..... it's to separate criminals from normal society and to protect society from those criminals.

Tell you what, why don't you volunteer to adopt this child after he gets out of juvenile detention in 3 or 4 years... are you up for that?
 
I have a question and maybe someone can enlighten me on it since I can't seem to find any real info on it...

If this kid is tried as an adult and convicted, will he go to a juvenile detention facility or will he go to an adult prison?
 
My solution is that he should get severe psychological treatment to see if he can be socialized to be a productive and non-harmful member of society. If he can't be, then he should be secured in a place that is far less violent that prisons are.

Would you adopt him after treatment?

Let him socialize with your children or grand children?

Have him for a sleep over after his treatment?

In other words, would you be willing to bet the life of you and yours that after treatment he is safe?.... or are you only willing to bet someone else’s life on that.
 
Would you adopt him after treatment?

Let him socialize with your children or grand children?

Have him for a sleep over after his treatment?

In other words, would you be willing to bet the life of you and yours that after treatment he is safe?.... or are you only willing to bet someone else’s life on that.

We're talking about a child here, not a rabid dog.
 
I disagree with it being "society's" job to enforce those rules. But even still, the point remains that not ALL children need to be safeguarded form certain behaviors. A responsible 16 year-old living on her own with a steady job shouldn't be prevented from having a drink if she so chooses.

Hence my inclusion of "situation-dependent" application in my statement.

As it stands, such a 16 year old isn't granted equal rights based on her maturity and responsibility. Hell, an actual 18-year old who lives on their own and has a steady job isn't granted that equal right.

I think that's asinine personally, but if that's how our law works, it should be evenly applied for things we agree with as well as things we disagree with.



And sometimes kids who kill need to be protected from society.
i don't think it matters that we didn't let the boy drink, the boy committed murder. 2 very different situation dependent scenarios.

now, what we do with him can be argued, that's certain. but he didn't just lose his 11 year old temper, he killed that woman in cold blood. we need to find out if he's capable of reform. if so, he should be released at some point. but not at 18, i don't think.
 
Something potentially far more dangerous than a rabid dog.....;)

No, not even close despite the stupid winkies and other emoticons that add zero substance to the post.

The rabid dog is not curable. The rabid dog has no human empathy. This is a disturbed little boy who has been failed by the adults around him. This dehumanizing language used to describe him is sick and disgusting.
 
No, not even close despite the stupid winkies and other emoticons that add zero substance to the post.

The rabid dog is not curable. The rabid dog has no human empathy. This is a disturbed little boy who has been failed by the adults around him. This dehumanizing language used to describe him is sick and disgusting.

Again..... after treatment, would you have him for a sleep over with your children or grand children?

Would you risk the life of you and yours? Or just the life of some that you don't know.
 
Again..... after treatment, would you have him for a sleep over with your children or grand children?

Would you risk the life of you and yours? Or just the life of some that you don't know.

Sure, I would be willing to give the boy a chance. I know that probably just blows your little mind, but some human beings are capable of setting aside their emotions in pursuit of preserving human rights, dignity and potential.
 
Two true scenarios very different....

We arrested an 10 yr old boy who had killed his mothers boyfriend..The boy was awakened by his mothers screams..he ran outside and his mothers boyfriend had her on her back on the steps beating her violently...the boy tried to pull him off but could not...his mother became silent the BF kept beating her...the boy ran in the house grabbed a kitchen knife ran out stabbed him in the back once and killed him...WE did NOT want to arrest this boy..hardened cops were very much upset...

Second Scenario

We arrested a boy..Im not sure of his age but he was very young...murdered a girl in her hallway as she came home from the store because she refused to perform oral sex on him on his demand...he stabbed her numerous times...WE were quite happy to lock him up even though we would have preferred to bury him instead...

My point is this...trying 11 yr olds should be OPTIONAL based on the situation and the circumstances...it should not be set in stone either way...just my humble opinion
 
Two true scenarios very different....

We arrested an 10 yr old boy who had killed his mothers boyfriend..The boy was awakened by his mothers screams..he ran outside and his mothers boyfriend had her on her back on the steps beating her violently...the boy tried to pull him off but could not...his mother became silent the BF kept beating her...the boy ran in the house grabbed a kitchen knife ran out stabbed him in the back once and killed him...WE did NOT want to arrest this boy..hardened cops were very much upset...

Second Scenario

We arrested a boy..Im not sure of his age but he was very young...murdered a girl in her hallway as she came home from the store because she refused to perform oral sex on him on his demand...he stabbed her numerous times...WE were quite happy to lock him up even though we would have preferred to bury him instead...

My point is this...trying 11 yr olds should be OPTIONAL based on the situation and the circumstances...it should not be set in stone either way...just my humble opinion

No because then you start adding subjectivity to the law and to justice. That's not acceptable.
 
Sure, I would be willing to give the boy a chance. I know that probably just blows your little mind, but some human beings are capable of setting aside their emotions in pursuit of preserving human rights, dignity and potential.

Why the hostility? I just asked a simple question after all.
 
No, not even close despite the stupid winkies and other emoticons that add zero substance to the post.

The rabid dog is not curable. The rabid dog has no human empathy. This is a disturbed little boy who has been failed by the adults around him. This dehumanizing language used to describe him is sick and disgusting.
It is a fact.....
He has far more potential to be dangerous than a rabid dog, regardless of how he got to that place.......
He relied on cunning, not instinct to kill.....
The only way to know if he is truly 'cured' is that he doesn't kill again.....
Why take that chance?......
 
Latest.............

12-Year-Old Murder Suspect To Be Tried As An Adult In Lawrence County - kdka.com


NEW CASTLE (KDKA) ―A judge in Lawrence County has ruled that a boy accused of murdering his father's pregnant fiancée should be tried as an adult.

This will make him one of the youngest defendants in Pennsylvania history to face a trial for first-degree murder.

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No because then you start adding subjectivity to the law and to justice. That's not acceptable.

lol..you have that right now..??? Prosecutors DECIDE with in the law who gets indicted and who doesnt...same thing
 
Why the hostility? I just asked a simple question after all.

Sorry. I just got highly offended at how people are dehumanizing this boy. I don't see how people can't view the adults in his life as having failed him and instead want to destroy anything of value left in him.
 
lol..you have that right now..??? Prosecutors DECIDE with in the law who gets indicted and who doesnt...same thing

No, it isn't the same thing. They have guidelines that are applied stictly and logically. There is a process they go through to determine culpability.

You are talking about blurring those guidelines or erasing them altogether by making the age limitations on adult and juvenile justice completely arbitrary. That is not how the law and justice work.
 
It is a fact.....
He has far more potential to be dangerous than a rabid dog, regardless of how he got to that place.......
He relied on cunning, not instinct to kill.....
The only way to know if he is truly 'cured' is that he doesn't kill again.....
Why take that chance?......

You may take great relief that Jall is willing to test if the child is cured.... not so sure his family would so willingly be the test subjects however.
 
Latest.............

12-Year-Old Murder Suspect To Be Tried As An Adult In Lawrence County - kdka.com


NEW CASTLE (KDKA) ―A judge in Lawrence County has ruled that a boy accused of murdering his father's pregnant fiancée should be tried as an adult.

This will make him one of the youngest defendants in Pennsylvania history to face a trial for first-degree murder.

JordanBrown.jpg

Good, it will serve as a warning to other young would be killers that they can no longer hide behind their youth to escape punishment for their misdeeds....;)
 
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